James GleickI’ve read the New York Times all my life, and I worked in the newsroom for ten years, and I’ve never seen the news department along with the editorial department commit to a nakedly partisan political crusade, as they are now. Evidently they are more outraged by Biden’s determination to continue running for re-election than they have ever been by Donald Trump.
vashbear@JamesGleick
I'll grant that newspapers love a controversy. But they also do not want Trump to win; I came to a belief over a year ago that Biden -who I like - is doomed. i have many red state friends and family who despise Trump yet will *not* vote Biden. My teen and young adult Blue state kids all despise Trump yet all view Biden as a complete non-factor. I asked about Kamala and they all lit up ... but then said "you guys" would never let her run. This was all *before* the debate.
I'll grant that newspapers love a controversy. But they also do not want Trump to win; I came to a belief over a year ago that Biden -who I like - is doomed. i have many red state friends and family who despise Trump yet will *not* vote Biden. My teen and young adult Blue state kids all despise Trump yet all view Biden as a complete non-factor. I asked about Kamala and they all lit up ... but then said "you guys" would never let her run. This was all *before* the debate.
Barry Schwartz 🫖@vashbear @JamesGleick We are interested in winning the election, not the reactions of kids. These are really entirely different things.
Reverse the roles and imagine we were the Republicans. Then Joe Biden's age would be a non-issue but Trump's would be, because he'd be the Democrat.
Now why is that? It's because Democrats have this urge to show their intellectual superiority by worrying about things other than a focus on winning the election with what they've got. It is childish.
@chemoelectric @JamesGleick I very much want to the democrats to win. Its a given that no one knows what will happen. But that does not stop us from using our life experiences and observations to make predictions on what we think will happen and what we think the best approach to be. No amount of exhortations to "stop thinking, fall in line" is going to change that. In the end I will vote for the Democrat on the ticket even though I wish I had more of a say in who that is.
@vashbear @JamesGleick But that has already been decided. This is the difficulty all the "Drop out" people face. The nominee has been picked. Any change surely would be traumatic in many ways they are glossing over.
It occurs to me BTW that if one desperately wants Harris then the best way is to elect the current ticket with the understanding Biden would resign after two years. Then you could have ten years of Harris.
Tom Ritchford@chemoelectric @vashbear @JamesGleick
> But that has already been decided.
In an essentially uncontested primary, where the DNC made it clear that anyone who opposed Biden would not have a future in the Democratic Party.
And the convention isn't until August. The Democrats still have an opportunity to come up with a young and energetic candidate who would wipe the floor with Trump.
@chemoelectric @vashbear @JamesGleick
I welcome your reasoned and polite explanation for why no major Democratic figures at all entered the primaries.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_Democratic_Party_presidential_primaries
The idea that this was some sort of contested primary is false to the fact.
Julian ♪🌻🥥🌴♫@TomSwirly @chemoelectric @vashbear @JamesGleick
I'll try: Because Biden has been an effective president and major Democrat politicians are smart enough to not undermine the incumbent ahead of such an important election?
I'll try: Because Biden has been an effective president and major Democrat politicians are smart enough to not undermine the incumbent ahead of such an important election?