flexghost.It's time to talk, fam.
Is this behavior ok at an LGBTQIA+ Pride Event deemed "family friendly?"
Tell me your thoughts...
T. T. PerryIt sparked a conversation about the meaning of "family values" vs what's actually harmful to children. It also prompted people to think about cishet norms related to bodies and nudity.
People are more upset at seeing the human body than at... Well you fill in the blank for me.
@ttpphd Maybe you or I have different standards for nudity and what is acceptable but what are the norms and accepted limits of society as a whole? Are they different? Why are they different?
@flexghost society tries to say having a trans or nonbinary body is harmful to children. Being queer means challenging norms so you can make your own way in life. What is your belief that is being challenged here?
@ttpphd I never brought my beliefs into this why do you need to make it personal?
Can you engage with the points being made or no?
Why do you feel the need to lecture a lesbian on what it means to be queer?
Interesting.
@flexghost excuse you, I am engaging with your points. You asked about what our different perceptions are of the limits and I asked you to clarify what you felt the limits were.
Excuse you for playing the lesbian card. I'll play Uno reverse on that one.
@ttpphd Why hostile? Is there a need for that tone?
Why are you attacking who I am, would tolerance and acceptance work better?
I cant help that I was born this way.
@flexghost I'm not attacking who you are. You attacked me! Why are you not able to just answer the question in our conversation instead of changing the topic?
@ttpphd Show me how I attacked you
"Why do you feel the need to lecture a lesbian on what it means to be queer? "
@ttpphd And that is an attack how?
You posted this thing looking for opinions (but really just looking for people to shame the nudists), and then when i said if you pay attention to what being queer means, it means challenging and defying norms, questioning cishetero supremacy and the use of "family" rhetoric to control and shame queer people. Your response was basically how dare you talk to me, queer person. You are trying to marginalize me instead of listening to my point.
What belief of yours was challenged?
Dieu@ttpphd @flexghost Not all norms, I guess? How do you pick which?
And why should public nudity be a particularly queer thing? I think there's an ample supply of cishet nudists, and I bet there also is no shortage of queers who always cover themselves in public. Maybe these things are more independent than you assume?
I'm European, btw, and the idea of my children watching this parade doesn't make my heart stop. I'm just not convinced it's as quintessentially queer as some like to claim it is.
It seems like my meaning didn't quite come across. I am not saying nudists are queer. I'm saying that queer people, as part of being queer, challenge the extremely cishetero construct of "family friendly". Whose family? Whose values? That's what is queer about nudity at PRIDE events. It should prompt us to ask "what are we policing and controlling and why?".