peregusI agree with what you say, but how can we prevent kids to use those websites? Todays parents are too IT ignorant and they don’t know that they can protect their kids by using tools that they already have (parental control on smartphones and routers).
So, how do we protect those kids?
Pornography (for example) can do huge damage to kids.
Norah (pup/it/she)Todays parents? No. The Boomer/Gen X parents of Millennials were also incredibly IT ignorant.
I know, but what were the risks there? There was no Internet! The firsts with wide Internet access were the late millennials.
I don’t know what you lived through, but there was wider internet access in the late 90s and early 00s that caused widespread panic amongst the boomers when I was a kid (born early 90s). I grew up in the era of the first social networks, MySpace being the biggest early one I remember. What surprises me more is that so many millennials have grown up to be just like their parents in that regard.
In fact I wrote:
The firsts with wide Internet access were the late millennials.
which seems to be you.
Yes. What is your point? I was commenting on the fact you thought this was a current parents problem when it’s been a problem for over 20 years now.
My point is that you can’t compare today’s problem with 20 years ago!
20 years ago the access to the Internet was through the home PC for the amount of time the kid was allowed to use and with people in the house (usually); today the access to the Internet for a kid is 24/7 and everywhere.
There is no comparison.
Parents should be more present in the kids life? Sure!
Parents should block Internet access to porn website at least until a certain age? Yes! But most of them doesn’t even know that ths is possible. Maybe we (society, givernment) should work more here.
You invoked the comparison by using the phrase “today’s parents are too IT ignorant”. If anything, they know more about tech than ever before.
Edit: In response to the rest. Parents just don’t want to have uncomfortable conversations with their kids, they never have. Because, no, it isn’t actually easy to block all pornographic websites reliably.
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There is no solution. Every method for effective age verification has to violate privacy as a matter of principle.
The bottom line: You cannot shove off educational tasks to technological procedures.
There is no solution. Every method for effective age verification has to violate privacy as a matter of principle.
The bottom line: You cannot shove off educational tasks to technological procedures.
You guys do realize that porn has existed for generations right? You could get porn on the Internet back in like 1998. And before that people had magazines and vhs videos.
But for some reason people act like it’s some recent immergent phenomena that’s only NOW damaging kids. Makes no sense…
Just talk to your damn kids about sex. It’s not a big deal. Just be parents for Gods sake. Stop outsourcing your parenting responsibility to our dysfunctional and idiotic government, and corporations.
Guys, come on, in the '80/early '90 it was almost impossible to have access to porn, maybe some magazine found somewhere. Today a 10 years old can see porn video on a smartphone everytime he wants! You can’t say that it’s the same!
P.s. In my original message I didn’t say that I’m ok with that law, I was asking (to start a kind discussion) what other possibilities there are.
Nah. I’m in that age group. The kids around me had magazines and vhs. By the early-mid 90’s there was digital porn.
Sometime around 92 (I was leaving my tweens) my mom gave me a stack of magazines (pretty sure she thought I was gay or something). No sex talk. Just hey, have this stack of magazines (I refused out of embarrassment).
I’m in that age group. Kids had vhs and magazines. IMO the faces of death vhs going around was more scarring than any porn.
Father_RedbeardThese laws don’t help when it’s insanely easy to install VPN clients on pretty much any device kids have access to. I have Adguard Home on our home network with the malicious and adult websites blocked. But still had a conversation with my kids about porn. And it turns out one of them had already been using a VPN on his phone and PC to bypass the local restrictions. We talked about it more, about being a good and safe “netizen” while discussing how unhealthy porn can be. I’m not anti-porn, but there is a lot of mistreatment of the people making it and can lead to some unhealthy misconceptions about sex and intimacy.