xc2215xWho is a character you feel is overhated and despised too much ?
AliceNot a character it’s actually a woman but I shouldn’t say who and for why. Ultimately she is in the wrong. But could have been prevented at least I think maybe idk
Great contribution to the conversation. We all understand what you’re saying, and who you’re talking about. We’re all just ready to continue this conversation that we ABSOLUTELY can be a part of, and have opinions on.
…oh wait.
👑 here’s your crown drama queen 👸
Are you off your meds today?
That would have been devastating to me in middle school
I refuse to believe he isn’t trolling for sake of my brittle sanity
Wait I mean he definitely is trolling
I haven’t had enough coffee for double negatives
This isn’t Facebook… vuagebooking isn’t allowed. Either name the person or go somewhere else.
Melania?
- I shouldn’t say who and for why.
Why? This is anonymous. No one will judge you for your opinion. Of course, it’s also a discussion. We can’t reply if we don’t know what the hell you’re talking about. And if you refuse to do that, why even post the comment?
I was listening to a football podcast (they go off topic in the offseason because there isn’t a lot to talk about), and they had a whole rant about how Pam Beasley is a monster.
Because she was friends with Jim while dating Roy. (Yeah him having feelings for her wasn’t exactly a shocker, but it’s different when it’s you. And she shut him down clearly when he actually made a move.)
Because she did the art school thing, I guess?
Because she was sad when Jim was dating Karen. (She did genuinely try to be her friend despite that, and went to cry in a corner alone.)
And because there was tension when Jim did Athlead. (Which if you actually watch, was him biting her head off when she messed up with a video of a recital, and him instigating a couple other times, presumably because of the stress of the situation, while she was being run ragged as almost a single mother at home.)
And because apparently chasing your dreams going to New York to go to art school while in a relationship is the same as doing it when you’re actually married and have kids. But she didn’t bend over backward enough to support him I guess?
It’s just really weird to me, and he’s not the only one with that weird twist on the character. (No she’s not perfect. Sitcoms are all characters who are kind of monsters. But her as the bad guy doesn’t make sense.)
Yeah. I also find the relationship has a lot more dysfunction on Jim’s part than fans want to admit. Jim wouldn’t cheat on Pam, but Jim makes several life changing decisions without Pam and gets angry if Pam doesn’t go along with them.
To be fair, I don’t think he’s actually a bad dude either. Again, flawed, but reasonably well intentioned.
The “worst” thing they did was definitely developing feelings while she’s engaged to Roy, but most of that was the nature of working in close proximity. It’s inherently different than sneaking around to spend “platonic” time together for a bunch of hours by choice. He had feelings, but mostly didn’t cross the line. I don’t think he’s a terrible person for laying his feelings on the line when she’s engaged to someone he doesn’t like either. Actually married is the line where it moves to completely not OK.
But yeah, the whole end thing really wasn’t anyone being awful. He unilaterally made some decisions that should have been a partnership, and he was wrong to put that much stress on her without talking to her and hearing her. Because they had kids, primarily. But he did recognize that and came back and made the commitment to their family. Then, once she had time to actually breathe again, she was ready to take the leap with him.
That was longer than I meant it to be again lol. But I was surprised to hear the take (and that it was more popular than I’d guess) because it genuinely never occurred to me. She was in pretty deep and he was lashing out from the stress of the situation before she even vocalized her problems with it. (At least from what we see.)
Willie in Temple of Doom. So what if she wasn’t cut out for the big adventure! She liked her life in Shanghai- dresses, performing, champagne, and nightlife. She didn’t ask for any of what happened next!
SSTFIs there some secret internet community of Willie haters?
Lesbians maybe
Growing up I would hear people hating on her. But this was pre-internet so perhaps the World Wide Web has lessened the Willie bashing?
It was the shrieking that I wasn’t a fan of
Nurse Ratchet. Lady was just trying to do her job.
PronellAnd forced a sane but disruptive man through a disabling procedure?
No. She went way the hell too far so she could protect her little kingdom and stay in power. She was not concerned with helping her charges improve their lot in life.
The movie takes place in a different time, just to be clear.
The patient in question was faking being crazy. Acted out and challenged her every single day. He even snuck all of the patients out of the hospital, stole a bus and a boat, and went off on everyone for shits and giggles at every opportunity.
Of course I don’t agree with the lobotomy. But he was pushing real damn hard for it.
I totally get where you’re coming from but wanted to put the counterpoint, as obvious as it was.
She was caring for those who nobody else could for at that time, and to generally good effect day to day.
I’ve worked in group homes and know of the challenges you face in serving those who aren’t all that stable.
Just would never have advocated for that solution for anyone really. All that is said with historical knowledge and such.
Yours was a good post.
She was trying her best with that she had and knew at the time, even if she overreacted in the end, to terrible effect.
I like the discussion. Obviously I’m not dying on any hills here. I just think it’s worth looking at the movie in a different pov. Thank you.
Completely disagree, but upvoted for at least having an unpopular opinion which is kind of the point of this thread! A good contribution.
Thank you. Yeah I’m not trying to change any minds here haha. I know she’s the baddie.
MelonYellowWell, she was manipulative towards the patients. The worst part was when the young suicidal patient was with the girl and she reprimanded him, saying she was going to tell his mom. And she let him of her sight. It was just a power trip.
I think she was just extremely fed up with the bullshit by the time that happened. Obviously it was a bad decision, I’m not going to defend the belittling.
sure, and Kai Winn was just some priest…
MinnesotaGoddamWesley Crusher. I always liked him
CALIGVLAReally? What’s to like about him?
BigFigAn ambitious smart young man who has clear life goals and the drive to serve the federation and push the limits of human expansion and discovery? His character is to show that all generations young and old are willing to further humanity’s/the federation’s goals of a peaceful coexistence and cooperation for greater prosperity for ALL.
Some of Wesley’s haters often come across as honestly jealous that THEY couldn’t be born into such a time and place.
Edit: furthermore, a character like Wesley is SUPPOSED to be the way he is. It’s not the actor it is the character. Young viewers were meant to look at him as a mirror to themselves, a way to imagine yourself in such a universe, someone to identify with and better put your mind into the headspace of the story.
While Riker is cool and funny, you are not Riker.
While Picard is cool and professional, you are not Picard.
Fair.
I just always found him annoying and nothing much else.
Try rewatching with this context?
Sorry, but no amount of context would ever make Wesley not annoying to me. I don’t hate the character, I just don’t like him, period. 🤷
fishosThe context that’s he’s supposed to be an annoying child? You’re really not getting that people can dislike a character that is “well done”. Yes, he’s well done… as an annoying child who tries to act like he’s on the same level as Picard and Riker. He’s the equivalent of internet comments.
He had a tendency to be immediately dismissive, impatient, and often outright insulting to other cultures and non-Federation types. The kid needed some humility, and often showed his age and closed-mindedness when he shut out ideas that didn’t come from his superiors.
He was a kid, after all.
In a show otherwise filled with adults. This why we hate him. It’s a common trope that when you add a child/baby actor in a show that otherwise doesn’t have them, the show becomes worse. Wesley absolutely fits.
That’s called “being a teenager” and having a character which the others can offer corrective criticism that is also a message to the younger viewers by proxy
Oh, no, I get that, I’m just saying those things make him annoying. It gives lots of opportunity for character development, but he’s still annoying until he develops.
Personally, I didn’t really mind Wesley in the later seasons and a few of the Wesley-centric episodes were pretty good. It’s really the first season, and even more so the first few episodes of the first season where he was annoying as all hell. Oh look, boy wonder saves the ship, yet again. Unfortunately that kind of seems to have stuck with the character, despite the show toning down his antics significantly after that.
The later Wesley episodes are good because you see him as a bright young man trying to do right in the world rather than a precocious kid who solves problems the grown-ups can’t.
The writers didn’t really know how to write the Crusher-Picard relationship(s) in the early seasons.
First season Wesley is sad to hear you didn’t like him
nocturneI am only a few years younger than Wesley was in TNG. He was someone with whom I could identify. I never got the Wesley hate, and if it was not for the internet I would not know there was any.
Wesley Crusher is a real fake person?
The Boy?!?! baker street sax plays
DestideShut up Wesley essell
Someone’s gonna come in and say Skyler White and be wrong.
Why would they be wrong?
Because.
Because what?
So you don’t have a reason, then? Figured as much.
I already said it’s because what.
That’s not a reason, as a question I’m this context, or means the same thing. So someone’s asking a reason for a thing, and you’re saying that reason is “just cause.”
You’re the child that literally nobody wants to talk to, with shit answers like “WHY YOU ASKING WHY?!” 🙄😒
Why are you talking to me?