just_another_personUndecided voters say they now support Joe Biden after debate
Yeah sure!!
This message brought to you by the Ministry of Truth.
War is peace, freedom is slavery, ignorance is strength.
Samples size of a focus group on Univision…
It did quote a poll that Biden is only up 1% among Latino voters tho
Fucking insane that it’s that close. But I guess when Biden literally copies trump illegal border policies, it’s hard to get them scared of trump.
CarbonIceDragontbf, arent those border policies somewhat popular among some latino voters? Im not defending those policies as they dont align with my own views on the topic, but theres plenty of room for people that managed to get through the immigration system legally to look down of people who havent, or for people born in the country to dislike migration even if their ancestors did it, or for people that want to “pull up the ladder behind them” so to speak. Biden couldnt exactly expect Trump’s border policies to automatically win him that demographic either way.
There’s also the fact that cartels run a lot of border towns. It’s not that border area Latinos are mad at illegal migration so much as they don’t want South Texas to be like Northern Mexico.
Also, it’s a little silly to treat Latinos as a single group. South Florida Cubans are different from everyone, basically. Recent immigrants are different from 2nd or 3rd generation ones. Ted Cruz’s full name is Rafael Edward Cruz.
FuglyDuckTed Cruz’s full name is Rafael Edward Cruz and he’s different from people.
he’s a reptillian in a skin suit. so he’s basically different from humans. altogether.
Perhaps it’s because we immigrants have a broader world view and more quickly realized that none of those assholes represent us. Perhaps white natives are too easily scared by propagandist headlines and shitty science.
mozzwhen Biden literally copies trump illegal border policies
There are three big problems with immigration at the present moment:
Biden is unable fix the third without an act of God (or, without firing the whole system and then finding 40,000+ people who want to be immigration police who are not racist, so basically an act of God).
Biden is unable to fix the first two problems also, although they do have legislative solutions, because the Republicans block anything he does, even when he tried promising to do some cruel or racist things as a compromise in order to get them to also agree to some badly needed things (mostly, increasing ICE funding so they can at least house the people they have in better conditions, and increasing the number of judges to process cases so people don't wait for a year before their case is heard).
And, any time he tries to do anything about it, e.g. reducing the rate of people allowed to come across the border or increasing funding for ICE, everyone on the left as far as I can tell thinks he's just being cruel on purpose for no reason and gets really mad at him.
So my questions are:
They won’t answer. They’re a bad faith fuck trying to get people not to vote for Biden.
Oh, I know. I am just stating the message for the rest of the people.
The bad faith folks used to have these epic debates with me back and forth but I think they have mostly stopped doing that and I am heartened to think that maybe they decided that trying to say anything I was saying wasn’t true was an obvious losing battle and they were hurting their cause by even making the attempt.
Pure copium.
I don’t consider myself a Republican or a Democrat, although unless things change drastically in American politics, I can’t see myself ever voting Republican by the time I’m dead and gone. With that said, I mentioned to someone yesterday that if I didn’t have the experience of living through Trump’s time in office, this debate would make me seriously consider voting for him.
I really don’t believe that this debate is going to sway many undecided voters toward Biden. If you compare their performance at face value, Trump was unusually well-spoken, and Biden seemed like he belonged in a nursing home. Half of what Trump said was complete bullshit, but how many undecided voters are actually reading articles that show how full of it he really is?
What you have is a person who stated lies as fact and did a decent job of being convincing and a person who was generally truthful but seemed like he “wasn’t all there.” Undecided voters who “don’t follow politics” are going to see this and say “You know, I think I understand why people support Trump.” That’s a very scary prospect.
I don’t dislike Biden, but my personal opinion is that the best thing he could do for the country is step aside and let a different Democrat take the nomination. Geriatrics like Trump and Biden need to retire, do whatever they feel like in their golden years, and let someone else take the reins. A competent politician in his 50s or 60s would absolutely destroy Trump, and that’s exactly what we need right now.
What you have is a person who stated lies as fact and did a decent job of being convincing and a person who was generally truthful but seemed like he “wasn’t all there.” Undecided voters who “don’t follow politics” are going to see this and say “You know, I think I understand why people support Trump.” That’s a very scary prospect.
to be fair to Biden, he wasn’t all there. I mean, he had a cold, and if that doesn’t fog things up, the medications would.
But, I feel like somebody on his Campaign programing team should have pointed out that if the win-conditions for a successful debate is literally staying alive (see John Olliver rant,) that there wasn’t really much to be gained by it in the first place. it’s not like we don’t know their positions. we’ve already had 4 years of these guys. (well, 3.5 for biden. close enough for politics.)
But I was told that all Biden’s answers were completely incoherent? You’re telling me that the media is making a big deal out of a few moments in the debate?! That’s never happened before!
Hi. I’m a fucking staunch Bernie Sanders supporter.
Idk how else to tell you this headline is one of a kind, and that Joe Biden became a caricature of everything g the people I hate throw at him during thatcdebate last night.
I’m really disheartened by my left leaning cohort not seeing the glaring issues with the debate last night.
Did you watch it? This question might seem inflammatory, but I’m being genuine.
I desperately, desperately wanted Trump to have an aneurysm with aggravation of his mic being muted. I didn’t even consider Biden would become the caricature himself the GOP was begging for, but that’s all we got.
It’s a nothing to see blind dissent to what just happened like what Im seeing here. It’s how we got trump in the first place.
We’re in trouble. We ignore it, and end up with trump? It’s on the people of oring the problem right now.
Gradually_AdjustingWe’re basically hooped unless Joe decides to throw in the towel. Just about anyone not psychotic half his age could very easily beat trump. How do we get there?
My main concern is that many fellow Democrats aren’t seeing the issues with Biden’s performance. This blind spot is dangerous and reminiscent of how we got Trump in the first place. Ignoring these glaring issues won’t help us move forward. We need to recognize and address these problems now. How do we get our party to see this and take action?
There’s no way to replace Joe without his consent. Do you have any real ideas how that can be accomplished?
Sorry, where did I say I was here to solve a problem?
Just pointing it out. Cheers.
At the end of the day, I trust the people around Joe to, at the very least, not maliciously fuck over the country. Can’t say the same about Trump.
At the end of the day, with these two choices, I’ll go for not fucking over the country thank you.
Hardcore dems have always been delusional cultists with zero self-awareness.
I don’t know how else to say this: Joe Biden’s performance last night was a caricature of every negative stereotype the opposition throws at him.
I was reminded of all the ageist insults that Clinton supporters said about Sanders when he was a spry young 75.
I watched maybe 3 minutes. Turned it on about 35 minutes into it. It was apparent within the first 15 seconds that it was a problem.
No man it was legitimately bad. Biden did horrible. I’m terrified that we’re gonna see a significant slip in the polls after that disaster.
As a decided Joe Biden voter I am confused but I thank you.
Undecided Latino voters specifically according to the article. I don’t think that should be too surprising based on the lies Trump was spewing about illegal immigration.
It’s so stupid that there are “undecided” latino voters at this point. As if it wasn’t enougj to know that Trump was a liar when he mentioned that Mexican immigrants were criminals and rapists back then?
This is not surprising, because everyone knows Latinos are avid golfers. Why wouldn’t they support the candidate with a 6, uh, I meant 8, handicap?
Oh good, I guess Biden has absolutely nothing to worry about then…
Democrats will continue to act like he’s gonna coast into office by virtue of not being Trump. They will continue to ignore all warnings from their left. And they will blame the left when he loses. It’s the 2016 playbook all over again.
flying_sheepIf he loses. Maybe the complacent non-voters learned something. No thanks to the Ds, but neither Trump nor Biden winning is a done deal
Sny lesson they might learn is a one way trip to hell with no way back
If he loses? What’s he doing to win? Which group of voters is he trying to pick up? Netanyahu can’t vote for him. Republicans won’t vote for him no matter how many of their policies he adopts.
Centrist Democrats alone aren’t enough. No matter how large a majority they think they command.
Leftists who aren’t completely brain-dead will of course vote for his administration.
Calling people braindead is a great way to win them over.
I don’t think winning you over was their goal.
I’m not even one of the people they’re talking about, since I intend to vote for Biden.
I guess it depends on what you mean by Democrats. There were some quite high ranked people openly critical and suggesting replacing him (more than I would expect). Dems are not a singular entity… but the only person with the power to replace the candidate at this point in time is Joe Biden himself. So if he doesn’t step down I do expect most high-ranked Dems to fall in line.
Democratic party would crush it if only they replaced Biden with a younger candidate. I’m telling you, even republicans might switch over and vote democrat if this happens.
Lol, have you seen a Republican recently?
GodricYes, have you?? I actually happen to live amongst them, which may sound exotic to some Lemmings.
“I hate Trump, but Joe is a walking corpse” is not an uncommon sentiment.
Are they aware that even an almost-corpse could follow their advisors and therefore end up having an effective presidency? As long as Biden doesn’t start doing random senile shit (and be realistic, he’s far from that)
To a lot of these voters it’s not about having a logical cabinet nor even policy. It’s the individual as a character representing our nation, and to them Trump is better spoken than Biden even if what most of he says has little basis in reality.
This is why Obama had such a good time with swing voters, it’s not really about the policies from what I see. I’m shocked no party since 2008 has tried running a younger candidate. I’d love to see someone younger debate Trump. Like Pete Buttigieg for example. Like ya he’s still a career politician, but I suspect he’d do much better at making the insane stuff Trump says sound insane.
The presidency needs to be reframed. It’s not some position of ultimate power. Presidents have far less control than the general public thinks, or the media would have you believe.
To get anything lasting done you need all three branches working together and with this court, and congress…
I actually happen to live amongst them
I do too, which is why I know that you are wrong.
If Biden decided to step down, his delegates are pledged to support Kamala Harris. So it’s either him or her.
Still certain Democrats would crush it without Biden?
Will someone please come out and say what the problem with Kamala Harris is? I see people hinting about it all the time, but I have no idea what it’s all about.
It’s because she’s a woman. They’re scared.
It’s certainly true that women who rise to the top of national politics get relentlessly, negatively caricatured (Hillary Clinton, Nancy Pelosi). With Kamala Harris it’s different because a lot of the murmuring comes from Democrats and they never say why.
TheLowestStoneI have a problem with many of her past decisions but, the same goes for Biden. Both are still a significantly better choice than Trump.
Is she pro genocide? My only problem with Biden is his age and Israel policy, and I have no idea what hers are.
Unfortunately, anyone who has any real chance of being president isn’t going to do anything meaningful to stop what is happening in Gaza.
Her record as DA is problematic for a lot of people. She was labeling herself as a progressive, but then behaved as a conservative. Fought to keep a lot of people in prison for minor offenses, fought to keep the death penalty, etc. While doing that, she had a book out about criminal justice reform… and went against her own advice. Pretty much a lap-dog for conservative criminal justice policy. Overall, blatantly hypocritical to anyone that was paying attention.
Thanks for explaining.
BlackbeardIf Biden decided to step down, his delegates are pledged to support Kamala Harris.
I’ve tried to verify that this is the case and can’t find evidence anywhere. Can you point me to a source? I was under the impression that they’d be expected to turn to her, but that they’re not required to.
They aren’t required. But Biden/Harris delegates aren’t chosen randomly, they are Democrats who have demonstrated loyalty towards Biden and Harris and have personally pledged to support them.
But they’re not “Biden/Harris delegates”. They’re Biden delegates, as he was the only name on the ballot. Are you just saying they’ll go with her out of deference?
Fair point. I think they would absolutely go with Harris. Partly out of deference, partly because she would remain in control of a $100 million warchest, partly because her name can’t be taken off the general ballot in multiple states, and partly because Democrats need to focus on Dobbs and it would look awful to pass over a Black woman.
partly because her name can’t be taken off the general ballot in multiple states
Again, where is your proof of this? Ballots haven’t been finalized anywhere in the country, as Biden isn’t even officially the nominee yet. You keep saying these things as if they’re set in stone, but from what I can tell they’re not. Do you have proof that ballots have been printed before the convention, or that states have closed the registration window for running mates before closing the registration window for candidates?
Note: I agree with the rest of what you said, for the most part.