Signal strongly opposes the newest #ChatControl proposal in Europe.
Let there be no doubt: we will leave the EU market rather than undermine our privacy guarantees.
This proposal--if passed and enforced against us--would require us to make this choice.
It's surveillance wine in safety bottles.
See more: https://www.patrick-breyer.de/en/majority-for-chat-control-possible-users-who-refuse-scanning-to-be-prevented-from-sharing-photos-and-links/ @echo_pbreyer
How would you exactly leave EU market ? Ban all ips from eu?
Would you provide an alternative way for installing Signal in case you will be banned from distributing the app in the EU?
I don't think there is any reason to not let users download the .apk directly from web. For example Steam does that.
@svitvojimilioni @Mer__edith @echo_pbreyer
?? The phone number, which is linked to your Signal account, has a country code prefix, doesn't it?
Unfortunately Signal still demands this. One reason given: spam.
@Mer__edith
More detailed analysis by @edri can be found here
In the latest in a string of alarming developments, the Belgian government has proposed a new supposed 'solution' to the Chat Control deadlock in the Council. Read why this new proposal undermines people's security across the European Union.
@steffo @Mer__edith @edri @echo_pbreyer
Unfortunately it is a little complicated due to the EU Legislation process.
First things first there are 3 Parties
• The Commission - Proposed the initial very bad law
• The Parliament - already reached a position
• The Council (were all EU Member States are represented) - Haven’t reached an agreement yet
Summary: We are pretty far in the legeslative process, it depends on the council.
You can find more English information in @maxim blog
@steffo @Mer__edith @edri @echo_pbreyer @maxim
As well as in the @edri document pool here https://edri.org/our-work/csa-regulation-document-pool/
And a full overview of what happend in the last to years in this talk by @echo_pbreyer @ulrichkelber and me here (English and French translation)
https://media.ccc.de/v/37c3-12240-chatkontrolle_-_es_ist_noch_nicht_vorbei
@khaleesicodes @Mer__edith @edri I would love to be banned if I do not consent with their policy.
Since 2020 I've been banned from most services owned by big tech. The remaining services of big tech who haven't banned me, I banned them myself. Since then, I have been using only trustable services with open source structure from organisations with good reputation on privacy and human rights.
Outcome: my life has never been so simple, easy, quiet, productive, better.
The people who do bad things will just find another way and then innocent users will be left with this.
This proposal is a clear message: The government's right to know is more important than your right to privacy.
"the chats of employees of security authorities and the military are also to be exempted from chat control" ..
this means clients would need to identify who those people are, which is yet another potential privacy and security nightmare.
does this actually make me glad the UK isn't in the EU any more so i get to continue using Signal?
@Mer__edith
I always wonder how one can be so incredibly dense to not understand that criminals don't care about making tools illegal. Do they imagine this to be their reasoning:
"Yeah I used to be a hitman. But now legal apps are scanning texts for indicators of murder. I'm not switching to illegal apps to communicate with my clients, that's a line I simply will not cross."
I'll have emigrated before this enters into force, but the precedent it could set scares me. This normalises CCP crap.
Happy to read that, even if that's not really a new song from Signal. https://signal.org/blog/uk-online-safety-bill/
Signal exists to provide people everywhere with a tool for real private communication. That’s our only goal, and we take it very seriously. We’re structured as a nonprofit to ensure that market forces can never put profit or expediency over the safety of those who rely on us. Our work also resona...
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Can we do this to surveil you? Think of the children!
No.
Ok, how about this?
Um, no.
This?
Goddamnit! It's the same damn pig you just switched shades of lipstick!!!
Ok, how about this.
Oh FFS.
@Mer__edith @echo_pbreyer EU citizens, a timely reminder that you will be able to vote for your member of Parliament in about a week
This problematic law is coming from the Council (the upper house of the EU legislative branch representing the member governments)
It can be stopped by either the Parliament (the lower house of the EU legislative branch, representing the people) or the Commission (the EU executive branch, over whose composition the Parliament has some influence)
MEPs have power
@eob @Mer__edith @echo_pbreyer
There are #EuropeanElections next week. It would be very helpful if somebody could provide a list of positions of each candidate on the proposed legislation.
What would your solution be for the child abuse issue?
@pumpkin999 @Mer__edith @echo_pbreyer
Are you saying that online child abuse doesn’t exist??
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