Mozilla's Original Sin.

Some will tell you that Mozilla's worst decision was to accept funding from Google, and that may have been the first domino, but I hold that implementing DRM is what doomed them, as it led to their culture of capitulation. It demonstrated that their decisions were the decisions of a *company shipping products*, not those of a non-profit devoted to preserving the open web.

Those are different things and are very much in conflict. [...]
https://jwz.org/b/ykVr

Mozilla's Original Sin

Some will tell you that Mozilla's worst decision was to accept funding from Google, and that may have been the first domino, but I hold that implementing DRM is what doomed them, as it led to their culture of capitulation. It demonstrated that their decisions were the decisions of a company shipping products, not those of a non-profit devoted to preserving the open web. Those are different ...

@jwz disagree. I know many ppl that would or could not use Firefox if they hadn’t and like this it’s a viable alternative. What do the gazilion Mozilla/netscape/firefox or chromium forks/alternatives do for the open web because they disable drm or replaced / removed other functionality? Not much.
@fl0_id @jwz compromising on principles means you don’t have them. Which means you’re left with no way to distinguish yourself from a crowded marketplace. Which means you’re competing with price. That works poorly when your competitor is a free loss-leader establishing a moat for a different, related business (not even looking at said competitor’s financial ties to Mozilla). So with principles and price off the table, how is it competitive at all? Mild technical differences, and branding. Might as well have folded up shop instead.

@puercomal @fl0_id @jwz well do you think that librewolf has any influence on web standards?

Besides this is the golden solution fallacy, if Mozilla isn't perfect then it's worthless. No matter that they are trying, no matter that even their ad network way more ethical than the competition, no matter all of the way they are improving the web, for the "activists" it would have never been enough. Any misstep, any compromise makes it no different than the multi billion spy corp.

@docRekd @puercomal @jwz yeah that is often my feeling. That said strong positions and demanding more is important. But I feel like some people are too much consequentialist, if you are not perfectly right in sth you are wrong. And at least for me, then I will be wrong most of the time, as I certainly don’t manage to care about all just causes that I think are important equally or even most of the time :/
@fl0_id @docRekd @jwz my issue is not with compromise — I have a long career in enterprise software, quite familiar with compromise thank you :)
@fl0_id @jwz @puercomal then why are you taking issue with mozilla's compromises?