goferking (he/him)Texas woman arrested for allegedly attempting to drown 3-year-old Palestinian Muslim child in possible hate crime
Wow. Made it 42 years and thought “I need to murder a child”
halcyoncmdrTo be fair, it was a toddler.
/s in case that wasn’t obvious.
Wow, nothing deniable about that at all
“Alleged” is what the DA has charged.
“Possible” is what charges the DA might add.
A legal analysis by a reporter, who is not a lawyer much less a prosecutor, would not add much.
“Possible” is what the DA might add to the charges.
If the DA hasn’t added that already based on even this limited public information, I question their ability to do their damned job. There’s nothing “possible” about this being racially motivated, which clearly makes it a hate crime. The initial charges should have been for a hate crime and adjusted to remove that if necessary.
If the DA hasn’t added that already based on even this limited public information
The DA also has access to non-public information, including potential exculpatory information.
Can’t imagine what sort of exculpatory evidence there could be for someone asking where someone is from, then trying to drown their child, and beating them with their hijab. There is a pretty damned cut and dry racial motive there. Unless the white woman was secretly Muslim somehow it seems pretty straightforward.
Or… the simplest explanation is that it’s a smaller suburb of Dallas-Ft Worth where the largest ethnic group by far is white, in a district that went 62.2% Republican in the 2022 election, and the government officials don’t want to publicly denounce racism like that because that’s what the citizens in that area expect of their government.
Can’t imagine what sort of exculpatory evidence there could be
Not being able to imagine something doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist.
the simplest explanation is that it’s a smaller suburb of Dallas-Ft Worth
Suburbs don’t prosecute, the county DA does. And this county voted for Biden in 2020.
Suburbs don’t prosecute, the county DA does. And this county voted for Biden in 2020.
You’re right, and Presidential elections don’t do a good job of showing anything about local matters. Gotta look at the local elections. Since you brought it up…
In the 2022 general election the County Clerk, Criminal District Attorney, Constable, District Clerk, and County Judge elected were all Republican. In fact, the only race not won by a Republican was one of 2 open County Commissioner seats, which a Dem barely won with 51.5% of the vote.
Notice that Criminal District Attorney, Phil Sorrells ®, was just elected in 2022. Prior to that, he was a Judge for Tarrant County Criminal Court Number 10 for 25 years. I’d be willing to bet if someone went back through his criminal sentencing over those 25 years it would show certain, shall we say, biases in those sentences, they almost always do. Sometimes that quack does come from a duck after all.
And I’d be willing to bet that Tarrant County charged as many hate crimes in 2023 as in previous years.
I never said they weren’t capable. I’m just saying that this prosecutor seems to be choosing to not prosecute something seemingly obvious, which just makes them look incompetent. If they want to appear that way to the public, that’s their choice.
Nothing prevents them from saying that they aren’t going to prosecute it as a hate crime due to exculpatory evidence, instead they seem to be intentionally leaving it in a grey area. Especially since this apparently happened a month ago according to the article. Plenty of time to figure out something so core to the issue. It just makes them look complicit in allowing hate crimes when the public evidence is so glaringly obvious for it.
Nothing prevents them from saying that they aren’t going to prosecute it as a hate crime
The thing that prevents them from saying that they aren’t going to prosecute it is that they are still considering prosecuting it.
I realize the public demands that officials keep up with the 24 hour news cycle, but personally I don’t object when prosecutors, of all people, think a little about what they are going to do.
It’s a CYA thing.
Publishers have to use the walking on eggshells language even when it’s obvious what happened because of libel laws. You’re not guilty until convicted in a court of law. Until that point, everything is allegedly, possibly, appears to be.
I know. I already addressed that. That’s not where my issue is. My issue is they’re not only saying allegedly but also a possible hate crime when it is clearly a hate crime.
Instead after looking more, it looks like that’s because the DA has unofficially chosen not to prosecute it as a hate crime for whatever baffling reason. A month after the event and they’ve not filed charges for a hate crime. It doesn’t take a month to figure out whether a white person fighting with a Muslim in a headscarf about being American, then attacking their children and beating them with the scarf, constitutes a hate crime.
So instead it makes it look like a prosecutor that doesn’t want to prosecute a seemingly slam dunk hate crime as a hate crime, for whatever reason.
In that kind of mindset, it’s not “child”, it’s “human animal”.
She actually needs the DA to add those hate crimes to the charges so that Abbott can pardon her later, just attempted capital murder and injury to a child aren’t going to cut it with him.
FizzWanting to murder a child I can understand but you’re not supposed to actually do it. Wtf is wrong with people these days.
Y’allqueda in full swing in the US.
Ain’t no hate like Christian love.
Ain’t no hate like Christian love.
This has to be one of the best things I’ve ever read on lemmy.
Flying SquidIf you don’t consider them human, you don’t consider it murdering a human child.
That’s the problem with bigotry. It makes people view others as less-than-human.
It’s a joke, I like children no matter how annoying.
This happened in Texas?
I’m amazed she was even arrested. I’m assuming a full pardon with an apology will be forthcoming.
She wasn’t successful in killing the child, so no, no pardon from Abbott. He only pardons actual convicted killers of hate crimes.
Nah. In Texas all she has to do is say that God told her to do it, and she’ll get a couple years of taking drugs in a hospital.
The exception is Taylor Parker because she killed an ~unborn~ child, and that’s a damn step too far.
Same people are demanding to bring the Bible in school
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drown 3 year old … child
That’s just being fucking demonic for the public
Palestinian Muslim
With current events, yes its a hate crime
I mean shouldn’t it be a hate crime regardless of current events?
But yes.
A hate crime is when the crime intentionally targets a specific demographic.
This is true. Hopefully it doesn’t negatively affect the case against this person. Specifying it as a hate crime means that will need to be proved in the court. Or maybe I’m not understanding the law as well as LegalEagle makes me think.
AeonFelisControversial opinion: attempted murder is a serious deal regardless of whether or not it’s a hate crime.
No doubt about that, and I’m probably wrong about having to prove it was a hate crime. I just wouldn’t want that aspect to allow for this person to “get away”with it because it wasn’t “racially motivated”
So it should still be considered a hate crime regardless of current events, no?
The attempted murderer said very specific racist things while trying to drown the child.
It’s a hate crime as well as attempted murder.
This women attempted murder after confirming the mother was Palestinian. Textbook hate crime.
I don’t think it’s that deep. She saw a hijab and went full hate, nothing specifically about Palestinians, just so happens to be that the victims are also Palestinian.
"The child’s mother, 32, told police that the suspect, identified as Elizabeth Wolf, 42, questioned where she was from and made statements about her not being American, as well as “other racial statements.” "
Questioned doesn’t mean she was answered and then attacked. She was also shit faced and hostile. I doubt she heard or even cared if she did. She’s just going Muslim=bad as Fox has drilled at her.
BigFigThis kind of shit is why I still believe in a death penalty.
You’ll get a lot of hate for that but I agree.
Death penalty is expensive, and I don’t believe in spending money on scum like this.
It’s still cheaper than US prison costs
explodicleIncorrect, look it up
Right I take it back
DoomJust toss this one off a cliff save the money
What the Jesus Fucking Christ
JesusSeriously.
My money is on “alt-right” brain rot. Some people actually believe they are in a holy/race war for survival.
Poor, poor bastards.
yall can have that one, we dont claim her
Deadful“possible”
So we have multiple murders or attempted murders of Palestinian children in the US since October 7.
But pro-zionist students on college campuses claimed they feel somehow threatened there. Clearly that should be more important than actual attacks.
What this woman did was a heinous hate crime. But this isn’t the oppression Olympics. There has been a rise in antisemitism too. No need to diminish that in order to assert that hate crimes against Palestinian people is bad.
There is a very systematic and deliberate propaganda effort by many US media, infamously the New York times at the forefront to downplay antimuslim and general racist attacks and overexaggerate feelings of insecurity that do not represent actual danger. As a result of this peaceful campus protests including anti-zionist Jews have been brutally beaten down by the police and fascist mobs. So under the pretense of fighting antisemitism Jews are getting beaten up on campus. But according to the Zionists those are the “wrong kind of Jews” or “self hating Jews” so attacking them is justified in their eyes.
There’s a lot of complexities with different groups downplaying and exadurtating. I won’t deny mass disinformation in today’s politics and current events. But I’m not going to diminish how a group feels about prejduece against them when they have experienced over 13 targeted deaths across at least two instances in 2023. The ADL, a pretty credible group, reported a significant increase in antisemitic incidents in 2022, before the conflict in Palestine gained attention and the Israeli government started ramping up their propaganda machine. Bottom line, I don’t want to make this some kind of competition, especially on a post where we should be focusing on the abhorrent treatment of this Palestinian boy, but antisemitism is a problem too and I don’t think its OK to rug sweep the issues either are facing right now.
…m.wikipedia.org/…/Pittsburgh_synagogue_shooting
The ADL was just decided to be a biased source by Wikipedia as its definition of antisemitism is equating antizionism with antisemitism and they are a pro Israeli lobby group. That is not to say that Antisemitism is not a problem. But it is a problem where the perpetrators like in the Synagogue shooting are primarily white nazis. The same groups that then attacked campus protests speaking up for Palestine. So there is not only a trend to shift the blame to muslims and invent “imported antisemitism” like they call it in Germany, but even an unholy alliance between the classic antisemitic nazis and zionist groups
On the ADL, you’re right. I had historically been under the impression they were credible and havnt update my information. Thank you. But, my point still stands. 2022 and 2023 saw a huge uptick in hate crimes targeted towards Jewish people outside of the ADLs statements.
I am also against the shift to blame Muslims. I’m only taking issue with trying to diminish the rise in antisemitism.
I’m sorry, but I can’t care about antisemitism while the jews control the media and have heavy involvement in the banking problems in our country. The wealth available to the jewish people is beyond insane. They can choose to do whatever they want. The billions of US dollars flowing into Israel every year thanks to pro zionist lobbying gives Israel the option to do whatever it wants, and it chooses violence. “Not all jews” in exactly the same tone as “not all men”. It’s the same argument.
The first half of your comment is just straight up nazi shit.