@WuMargaret @mekkaokereke

that's true but what floods socials is "both sides the same" anti-intellectualism and troll farms pushing people to not vote with learned helplessness

so you get this cross chatter

"why are you standing against valid honest criticism of biden?" (they're not, the trolls are real and need push back)

vs

"why are trying to help trump" (they're not, they're engaged in honest criticism of biden and will vote for him)

so trolling works: everyone suspicious of motivations

@benroyce @WuMargaret

They are not "pushing back on trolls." They're shutting down valid criticism of Biden or any other centrists, mainly from Black folk. They know that we are (some of the very few!) real Black people on the fediverse. They just don't care.🤷🏿‍♂️

They don't accept anyone not showing fealty to Biden. They feel entitled to 95% or 100% of the Black vote. They say as much.

And some folk that have valid criticism of Biden will not vote for him. About 1 in every 5 Black men in fact.

@mekkaokereke @benroyce @WuMargaret
I'm sorry, but you pulled that "20% of black men won't vote for #Biden" stat out of your ass.

There is NOTHING anyone (regardless of race) can criticize Biden for that #TheOrangeMenace wouldn't be DEMONSTRABLY worse on.

@MugsysRapSheet @mekkaokereke @WuMargaret

if some 0 follower russian troll farm hack starts spouting divide and conquer learned helplessness "both sides the same" bs, squash them

but mekka is not remotely that

he's got receipts and i always learn from his insights

i've clashed with plenty of biden criticism on mastodon and most of the time it ends with "but i'm still voting biden"

so let the man speak

listen

and learn

do you see the optics of a bunch of wypipo yelling at a black guy?

@benroyce @mekkaokereke @WuMargaret
Saying, "It usually ends with: I'm still voting for #Biden", isn't what he said.

He's playing a dangerous game, discouraging support for the person with the best chance of defeating a #Hitler-quoting #Dictator-wannabe serial #adulterer #racist #sexist billionaire #conman who is SO massively incompetent, 405K Americans died (arguably) preventable deaths under him (and resulted in another 800K after leaving.)

Vs an honest & effective potus with record low UE.

@MugsysRapSheet @mekkaokereke @WuMargaret

many people have valid problems with biden, myself included, but understand why it's important to vote for him

so you see complaints about biden but for all you know it's just someone working out their frustrations, registering them, and they will vote for biden in nov

see that for what it is

but if you hit them with this "YOU WILL FALL IN LINE AND SHUT UP," especially when it's a bunch of white folk yelling at a black dude, do you see the problem?

@benroyce @mekkaokereke @WuMargaret
Again, I point out that he NEVER indicated he'll still support #Biden.

He's playing a dangerous game.

@MugsysRapSheet @mekkaokereke @WuMargaret

we're all playing a dangerous game

for example: we need biden to win, but some insist on shutting down all criticism of biden, alienating those who just want to work through their valid frustrations

you're not dealing with some brain removing edgelord going "BoTh SiDeS tHe SaMe" here

when you DO see some zero follower account doing that, squash them

but that's not mekka

LISTEN to him, don't jump to preformed suspicions

simple as

@benroyce @mekkaokereke @WuMargaret
You keep arguing as if he's saying, "I'll still vote for #Biden b/c T**** is worse."

No. He has made NO indication that that is the case. He even seems to suggest he'd actually vote for #TheOrangeMenace if he doesn't get what he wants out of #Biden.

@MugsysRapSheet @benroyce @WuMargaret

🤫And I'm not going to! You folks that yell at Black men online but do nothing meaningful to support us, aren't entitled to know who I'm voting for, or if I'm even voting at all. Y'all can sit there and worry about it.

All you need to know is that ~80% of Black men will be voting for Biden. That's more than enough. You ain't getting every vote.

Go focus on some of the cohorts that are voting closer to 80% for Trump.

@mekkaokereke @benroyce @WuMargaret
You have no idea what race I am.

@MugsysRapSheet @mekkaokereke @WuMargaret

it doesn't matter. what matters is doubting the sincerity of a prominent black voice

maybe you're black yourself and feel empowered to do so because of that

again, doesn't matter

just listen and let people work out their frustrations and engage them topically, not doubt their sincerity

on *your* topic i think this just about says it all, but getting more people to see it this way does not come from your current approach:

@MugsysRapSheet @mekkaokereke @WuMargaret

so what?

who are you to make that demand?

do you see how it's patronizing and condescending, and avoiding the real topic?

and when it's a bunch of white people doing it to a black guy, that's salted with some heavy shit. so don't do it

just listen and learn. what is mekka saying? why is it important? engage him on *that*. think about it. understand it

don't demand acquiescence as your reply without a single thought

it works against your goals

@benroyce @mekkaokereke @WuMargaret
You're spreading disinformation and using it to discouraging people from voting in their best interest.

@MugsysRapSheet @benroyce @WuMargaret

🤣 I'm not spreading any disinformation. And I haven't told anyone not to vote. I'm telling you *why* Black people in particular Black men, are not going to vote for Biden.

It's in large part because of people like you, and interactions like this one. But you're still going.

You're fortunate that I even take the time to tell y'all this. Most Black dudes would just tune you out and never tell you, or even smarter, wouldn't come to the fediverse at all.