Federico Viticci Jun 21, 2024

Apple Intelligence not coming to Europe right away because of the DMA.

Clearly Apple had to respect this, just like they didn't scrape European websites for their LLM.

oh wait https://www.macstories.net/linked/apple-says-it-wont-ship-major-new-os-features-in-the-eu-this-fall-due-to-dma-uncertainty/

Apple Says It Won’t Ship Major New OS Features in the EU This Fall Due to DMA Uncertainty

A new round in the fight between the EU and Apple has been brewing for a while now. About a week ago, the Financial Times reported that unnamed sources said that the EU was poised to levy significant fines against the company over a probe of Apple’s compliance with the Digital Markets Act. Then, earlier

Show threadIan HobsonJun 21, 2024

@viticci The DMA is a fucking mess. It’s opinions/words couched as a “legal” set of rules. Why would a company introduce cutting edge features only to find that someone somewhere in the EU decides it violates their interpretation of the DMA, there’s a lawsuit and company is fined 20% of WORLDWIDE revenue? @daringfireball has it right. (And I’m UK and don’t think we’re in a much better place).

“The EU’s self-induced slide into a technological backwater continues.”

Show threadjnfrd JanJun 22, 2024
@ianandbike @viticci @daringfireball I wonder how Google, Microsoft and Samsung are implementing their AI in the EU. Apparently Apple is either lying or incompetent.
Show threadIan HobsonJun 22, 2024
@jnfrd @viticci @daringfireball Is Samsung considered a “gatekeeper”? But the key issue that Apple will have to grapple with (and which doesn't apply to MS or Google at this time) is the multiple device experience Mac/iPad/Phone/Watch/Airpods etc. If Apple makes this better/unique because they can, then DMA may/will cry “unfair”. That's why no iPhone on Mac for example?
Show threadJohn Gruber
@ianandbike @jnfrd @viticci Samsung is not a gatekeeper. Only Google for Android itself.
Jun 22, 2024 at 6:25pmIvory for iOS
Show threadjnfrd JanJun 22, 2024

@gruber @ianandbike @viticci well. https://www.statista.com/statistics/276477/global-market-share-held-by-samsung-smartphones/ - but there is still Microsoft and Google left.

I don’t want that AI anyway. It’s a waste of precious resources. But screen sharing would have been nice and I’d like to hear a sensible argument from Apple.

Samsung smartphone market share worldwide 2009-2024 | Statista

Samsung has been a consistent front-row competitor in the global smartphone market.

Statista
Show threadIan HobsonJun 23, 2024
@jnfrd @gruber @viticci Just tell me if Apple post DMA had introduced any of the following products/services what the DMA impact would be:
1. AppleWatch
2. Apple Fitness
3. AirPods
4. AirTags
5. AppleTV+
6. ApplePay/Wallet etc
7. Many others
I can’t answer those, but you can? At best would lead to delayed roll out and probably enshittification of those experiences whether by Apple hobbling them or not allowed to introduce and leaving it to less-well executed solutions with less privacy etc.
Show threadjnfrd JanJun 23, 2024
@ianandbike @gruber @viticci I can’t follow you. How is any of this affected? I still pay with wallet.
Show threadIan HobsonJun 23, 2024

@jnfrd @gruber @viticci this is not that difficult. I am saying that if DMA was in force at the time of those introductions, they would not have gone ahead as they did in the EU. So what things will NOT go ahead in the future in the EU now that DMA IS in force? Where will that leave EU citizens?

Daringfireball puts it very succinctly… https://daringfireball.net/2024/06/eu_reaping_what_it_sows

The EU Is Reaping What It Sows With the DMA: Uncertainty

This is not spite. Spite would be saying these features will never come to the EU while the DMA remains in place. But a delayed rollout is the only rational response to the DMA: extreme caution in the face of the law’s by-design uncertainty and severe penalties.

Daring Fireball