Steve Troughton-Smith"We have a number of Apple issues. I find them very serious, I was very surprised that we would have such suspicions of Apple being noncompliant”
"This is not what we expected of such a company”
https://mastodon.social/@macrumors/112640420132181098
Paraphrased: we're not just mad, but we're also disappointed 😛
Me too, EU. Me too.
From later in the interview, specifically re questions on Apple’s Core Technology Fee:
“We have a toolbox of fines, of doubling fines, of potential breakup of companies”
"We have a very strong toolbox to ‘punish’”
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"I expected [noncompliance] cases… I'm a bit surprised we have so many cases, so soon, and with more in the pipeline”
John Gruber@stroughtonsmith Good luck to the EU breaking up a US company.
Charlie Fish@gruber @stroughtonsmith It’s crazy how much the EU is overstepping here. The EU is not the world police.
Let’s also not forget how the EU completely ruined the internet with those cookie request pop-ups all over the web…
Johannes ヨハネス@fishcharlie @gruber @stroughtonsmith The EU is neither overstepping nor is it acting like the world police (unlike some other countries). The laws it passes apply in EU countries only.
Also, the EU never forced anyone to use cookie pop-ups. That’s the industry’s reaction to the GDPR regulations, trying to make users accept their horrendous data collection practices.
@johjakob @gruber @stroughtonsmith “The laws it passes apply in EU countries only”
Yet their fines are based on worldwide revenue…
Michael@fishcharlie @johjakob @gruber @stroughtonsmith
Why people hung up on that point. Would it better for you, if the law would say „up to 100 billions in fines“
Each regulator can charge what ever they want.
@el_micha @fishcharlie @gruber @stroughtonsmith I agree. And still, Apple could just comply with the law to avoid fines at all.
dmitriid@fishcharlie @gruber @stroughtonsmith
Ah yes. It was the EU breaking it, and not the greedy industry assuming they have the god-given right to all your data.
Harold Leewis@fishcharlie @gruber @stroughtonsmith the EU ruined the internet with cookie requests?
If you’re not using cookies for anything fishy for the privacy of your users there is zero reason to show a cookie pop-up.
Christian Sigritz@fishcharlie @gruber @stroughtonsmith The EU is NOT forcing cookie pop-ups. It only demands a certain level of privacy and data protection. The pop-ups are only here to make it as hard as possible for site visitors to use that right of privacy.
@csigritz @fishcharlie @stroughtonsmith I don't understand this argument. No, the GDPR does not require cookie consent popovers. But websites in the EU are lousy with cookie consent popovers because that's how companies have chosen to comply. Clearly it's the result of the GDPR that the web is far worse to use in the EU than everywhere else in the free world.
@gruber @fishcharlie @stroughtonsmith Companies could also decide to:
a) do not track users => no popup needed
b) use user-friendly, non-screen-blocking popovers with a clear „deny“ button, which not demand from the user to dive deep into the cookie popup structure. Just make it easy to deny or accept. Should be not too hard to implement.
amonduin@gruber @csigritz @fishcharlie @stroughtonsmith This doesn't follow, the web is better because I can use the cookie pop-up to go in and decline a bunch of tracking cookies. That didn't exist before GDPR. Could it be better? Yes I think a decline all button should be mandatory and my response should be remembered forever, I should never have to re-decline. However, at least now I can decline tracking I couldn't before.
@gruber @csigritz @fishcharlie @stroughtonsmith The web is only easier to use in the rest of the world because you can't opt out of tracking at all.
jramskov
Mieszko Ślusarczyk@fishcharlie @gruber @stroughtonsmith Neither is US&A, yet it acts like it. EU doesn’t force Apple to do anything outside of it, just in the member countries - which it totally has right to do.