A few years ago, a kid mourning his dad handed me over 300 DVDs his dad had made of local bands in his London Suburb in the 2010s before passing on. He didn't know what do with them. I did. All of them are up at Internet Archive, hundreds of hours of cover bands playing in a bar, and now, thanks to a volunteer, Ducky, we have them all with dates and descriptions, where known. Enjoy.
@clusterfcku @textfiles I was thinking along similar lines (though without any need to bring AI into it; content creators can have perfectly legitimate reasons not to want their work uploaded that have nothing to do with AI)
It's a very nice thing to do for the bands who don't mind having their work uploaded, but otherwise it seems very likely to be a copyright violation, and it would have been better to ask the copyright owners first.
(I'm not agreeing that this sort of thing should, in principle, be a copyright violation, but I believe it is)
@diazona @clusterfcku @textfiles If they care, they can opt out and IA are pretty good about removing it. People get up in arms over this approach, however the motivation makes sense if you give it some thought... by the time you'd think about opting in to this, it's typically too late.
The number of times someone thinks something of theirs is lost forever and they're grateful to find it on IA vastly outweighs people angry something was available temporarily.
Let alone the practicality of it..
@fwaggle @clusterfcku @textfiles That's a good and practical point.
I tend to be of the mindset that it's better to ask permission than beg forgiveness (as they say), because as I see it, if you do something that should require permission without having gotten permission first, you still broke the rules (or policies guidelines, behavioral expectations, whatever), and what does it even mean to have rules (etc.) if people just don't follow them because they don't feel like it... but I have to admit, that mindset has served me poorly throughout life. It's just hard to shake.
@diazona @clusterfcku @textfiles Yeah, this is probably not a particularly good example to litigate on, because they're effectively bootlegs, and they're traded around with impunity as long as there's no commercial activity (and note that IA are legally a library, some rando site doing this would have less grounds).
I definitely see your point, but yeah it's mostly a matter of saving things - a very flimsy comparison might be would you ask before you saved a painting from a burning building.
@fwaggle @clusterfcku @textfiles Yeah makes sense.
Maybe a slightly better comparison would be if you sat down and copied - essentially, forged - a painting in a building that was condemned. Or maybe a mural, that way it's a bit more plausible why you couldn't just pick it up and walk out. I think the fact that the act required to preserve the thing would otherwise be a pretty clear violation of the law, if done without permission, is key here.
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