doodle967YouTube is experimenting with server-side ads
Friends, for now, my suggestion to you is to use privacy-friendly alternative frontends instead of the official Youtube client.
https://github.com/mendel5/alternative-front-ends?tab=readme-ov-file#youtube
Oh no, please.
Will uBlock still work or will that also break when/if this gets added?
GolfNovemberUniformAs I understood the ad will be a part of the actual video file you receive but, unlike fixed sponsor integrations, the time itโs shown at will change every time. That is going to be impossible to fix unless there are some exploits
๐ฆ๐บ๐๐ฆ๐๐ฅ๐๐๐๐ฃ๐ ๐๐ ๐๐๐๐I guess thats what we will have to do. The cats catching up but the mouse will continue to inovate.
Please no, not AI
Whata ur problem with ai? I dont get the hatred. We need good foss models otherwise proprietary crap wins.
Energy efficiency and hallucinations
Energy usage isnt bad its literally what makes shit happen. Hallucinations yeah but its getting better, what does enforcement mean?
Energy usage of AI models is at least 100x higher than other ways of doing most of the tasks (such as calculations and searches), hallucinations will never disappear and enforcement means inability to disable the AI or use most of the features with it being disabled
Iโd argue its a tradeoff for efficiency. Hallucinations are getting better its already better than the average human especially with tool use, self checking and chain of thought. And the whole enforcement thing Iโve never had that issue sounds like something is only run into on proprietary software and well thats a cluster fuck anyways.
Well if the AI is optional and isnโt the only preinstalled way of doing a certain task, I donโt mind it. Efficiency is still much worse though
I doubt itโll be impossible as Google will be required by many laws around the world to make it clear if something is an advert, especially in the EU. So there will be a mechanism to know if something in the stream is an advert or not.
Adblockers should be able to adapt but I do think SponsorBlock might be stuffed if users are seeing adverts at different times in the stream.
My guess is that this new mechanism is disadvantageous for analytics
EisFreiThey will also want to block people from skipping the ad. So theyโll have to provide timestamps, when skipping should be blocked. Maybe those can be somehow extracted.
Thatโs a pretty good idea. As soon as skipping is disabled, start skipping. And stop skipping when youโre allowed to skip again.
That sounds so weird out of context ๐
themoonisacheeseLegally, YouTube has to tell you youโre watching an ad. This means that at least visually somewhere (it could be baked into the video stream, for example), there should be a distinctive pattern that extensions should be able to grab and make the video fast-forward.
If youtube manages to stop fast forwarding, maybe at the very least we could auto-mute, and maybe overlay photos of puppies or something
Bad idea. People would get a negative Pavlovian reaction to puppies after a while.
Imagine walking down the street, seeing a puppy and immediately getting annoyed! Thatโs no way to live, man! ๐
Based in my experience it does not work. Ads still play
I guess no more ad-free experience in privacy-respecting clients. Well that sucks but letโs hope it at least wonโt kill them completely
I use LibreTube btw
Libretubeโs DeArrow and Sponsorblock support is very nice and I like its interface very much.
Idk whatโs DeArrow and I donโt use SponsorBlock because itโs not reliable for me lol. What is really good about LibreTube though is the privacy stuff and that it works fine on 8 years old phones
jjlinux | X unverified ๐
@GolfNovemberUniform @doodle967 for a moment there my eyes saw "Arch" ๐คฃ๐คฃ
Oh yea I use Arch btw
Shit guess I have to quit yt and move to peer tube full time.
You can still benefit from the YouTube content pool without this nonsense
If i have to watch ads or sponsors im done watching shit.
onlookerSuits me. I have a ton of movies and TV shows to catch up to.
Maybe this is healthier ๐ค
Itโs more complicated, but you can still use crowd-sourcing to recognize the ads. Then use an algo to analyze the ad, frame by frame, and reject that when it shows up.
Itโll take a bit of time, but their strategy isnโt going to last. Itโs โarms-raceโ style escalation on a digital front. Eventually, the crowd sourcing will be replaced by AI/ML tools. Ad companies, like google, will always try to fight back, but open-source will always respond. You canโt beat nerds that are intelligent and passionate about not getting fucked.
Next stop: AI generated Ads.
The game be the game, yo.
Already happening, sort of. Google allows companies to upload sets of headlines, images, and descriptions, then Googleโs system mashes them together and tests them to find the best combos. Itโs not full AI, but considering some companies doing this are probably AI-generating the input, itโs getting close. I wouldnโt imagine itโll be too long until Google does it for you.
slacktoidAI ad block. The AI watches (or just parses the to the audio transcription) the video before you and can mark when and where to skip from and to. With these 40TOPs machines that could be possible.
When programmers with ADHD/Autism get interrupted from a fixation (like a video), suppressing that interruption, even if unproductive or unimportant, becomes their new fixation.
Iโve been guilty of this many times, for better or worse.
I feel personally attacked by this comment.
I spent like 8 hours yesterday figuring out how to install viewtube on my NAS because I got the YouTube Adblock warning on my iPad.
FuckyWucky [none/use name]Adblockers can still mute and stop the user from seeing the ads with black screen. Advertisers will still be mad.
Programmer BelchReminds me of this post: https://lemmy.world/post/16500440
Ah, Black Mirror ๐
This is why Chrome browsers wanted Manifest v3 or whatever- they took away the APIs for extensions to do stuff like that.
JackGreenEarthIt doesnโt affect WebKit or gecko browsers though, or customised Chromium browsers.
Correct. 65% of all human internet traffic is unmodified Chrome.
When Firefox was slow, Internet Explorer was clunky and didnโt render anything correctly, and scrappy upstart with a โDonโt be evilโ slogan and great search engine Google came out with a new fast, memory efficient web browser, all us nerds ran out and told everyone โlook! The internet doesnโt suck anymore! Use Chrome!โ We were all amazed that we could have like 5 tabs open on our PCs with a whole gigabyte of RAM.
The normies echoed this through time, never unchanging - โmy kid says โChromeโ is the good oneโ. Even when sites started breaking when viewed in other browsersโฆdidnโt we just finish fighting this โstandardsโ war? Isnโt this what we destroyed Internet Explorer for?
booty [he/him]It was only a matter of time before Google put their foot down and insisted that you canโt have a good experience on YouTube. Its time is coming.
Facebook, Instagram, Threads, Twitter, Telegram, Discord, Reddit. YouTube is literally the last remaining social media app that doesnโt require an account. My real fear is that it will start asking for an account like other social media.
I watch a ton of YT, my experience is fine. Only media subscription thatโs worth it, imho.
If itโs part of the video now, doesnโt that mean we can just fast forward through it?
Because if itโs something explicit in the stream, then ad blockers will just look for that and weโre back to where we are currently.
I guess they could prevent you from doing that by:
- Creating a timestamp
- Sending you the ad
- Refuse to send you the rest of the stream until โNow - Timestamp >= Adโs runtimeโ
Have some browser extension play the video in the background with ads and notify me once itโs done. In the meantime show some message like โbringing out the trashโ. Can do better things with my time than watching ads
Or something to that effectโฆ ๐คท
HupfPlease drink verification can.
Those controls are disabled during the ad
But then ad blockers would know when controls are disabled
All I can tell you is what I experienced
Wait, you already have embedded ads??
Yep, I guess Iโm in the expirement
Dang, where are you located?
If youโre degoogling, then just do that instead of freeloading on google services and complaining that they either have to monetize your data or shove ads down your throat.
Find a paid service free of any of that. There are multiple out there.
But the users arenโt there. If love all my favourite YouTubers to switch to PeerTube, but they havenโt.