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One reason for this is these shows don’t tend to show the morally questionable things a resistance has to do to be able to win. So it’s a lot easier to side with the resistance in Star Wars when they’re just fighting conventionally against the empire. I think a much better depiction of resistance can be seen in Star Trek Deep Space Nine with the Bajorans. They fought the Cardasians in a guerilla war which often led to civilians on both sides being killed. It’s a lot more murky but the Bajorans are still unequivocally viewed as the good guys since it was the only way to resist and get rid of the Cardasians and stop them from killing their people.
They blew up the death star! That was full of people. Thousands and thousands of soldiers and engineers, pilots etc. We all cheered. Id say it was pretty morally questionable.

They blew up an enemy military ship that had already destroyed a peaceful planet and was in the process of killing them.

Nice try

Which presents the dilemma perfectly. Decision to destroy the planet was made by a higher-up, thus do all Death Star “employees” deserve to die?
They are military, not employees. Fair game.

Depends thos doesn’t it. Was it conscription of voluntary. Some of those military were forced to join the empire or have their planets blown up. Obviously many were zealots but im sure if it wasnt for vader, many of the soldiers wouldnt have joined.

When it comes to people being forced into the military is it still fair game?

I can only speak for myself but yes even being conscripted would put you in the fair game category.

If I am given the choice between slaughtering others or risking being shot in the back as I run away, I’m going to take the risk of getting shot.

Someone will now come in and call me a liar and I really don’t give a shit. I do put the value of others lives above mine on a regular basis. Volunteer firefighters do it every day.

No, the Empire only recently gained the ability to blow up planets. No one joined under threat of their planet being blown up.

And yes, conscripts are fair game. Unless they A) rebel against their commanders and/or B) immediately surrender. As long as they keep running the death machine, they are culpable.

Only a sith deals in absolutes!
That’s not an absolute system. It’s a system where a person’s culpability is determined by their actions.

Ok, i was trying to make a joke to diffuse what was clearly an attempt to argue with me in a serious way about something that i was only arguing in a light-hearted way.

I dont agree with you that someone being forced to join a military makes them exempt from any moral consideration when trying to determine whether to blow up a space station they are on.

What choice would you have made if you had a gun to your head?

I’m not saying it’s a fair system, I am just saying they are a valid military target.

But I’d like to think that I wouldn’t kill innocent people even if someone pointed a gun at my head. Of course no one knows how far they’ll go to survive until they’re put in dire circumstance.