return2ozmaThe truth...
mad_asshatterIf both sides are the same, what is there to resist?
RottcoddThe system as a whole.
The system is to dismantle, resisting it just denies you a normal life.
Ah, an antisystemist!
Do we say happy cake day on Lemmy? Because you have a piece of cake today.
(Well no, not Star Wars)
Zagorath
KazuyaDarklightFor the Empire!
Down with rebel terrorists and religious fanatics!!
Long live the Empire!
They identify with protagonists.
Also, Divergent should not be on the same list as the others.
More seriously though, it is frustrating.
FenrirIIII have never seen Divergent or read the books. The Pitch Meeting episodes on YT were more than enough
tacosanonymousWatching guys shit on things is tight!!!
Yeah yeah yeah!
I read divergent and seen the movies. In some aspects it’s kind of true. Iirc, if you ignore the drama then it’s about exposing the corrupt government.
Life isn’t like a movie. A movie has the liberty of making things black and white or easily understood. Real life is full of shades of gray and history, which shapes beliefs and opinions.
Right? I mean I get there are problems in the world, but this post is literally saying “you’re stupid for not joining a resistance (apparently any resistance) because you enjoy movies where the protagonist resists something.”
What an insanely shallow take.
Does Twitter really allow for depth?
Would’ve been more deep to just not say anything, tbh.
OP’s take is above grade.
Incorrect. This post is literally saying exactly what it’s saying and nothing more. That’s what “literally” means.
What it’s implying is that the reader, who supposedly rooted for oppressed proletarian resistance groups fighting against evil empires in various famous movies, contradictorily and blindly roots for evil empires oppressing proletarian groups in real life.
JackGreenEarthThat’s a lot of presumptions. Unless they’re talking to a specific person who they’ve asked beforehand, they don’t know that their interlocutor has sided with the resistance in all those shows.
Besides the obvious fact that even if they did, the real world is not comparable to a movie.
These people don’t live in reality unfortunately. They look at any side that is “losing” and think its a cause worth supporting. It’s idiotic brain rot
Oh so you don’t understand
Hamas dindu nuffin!
Well then they’re not talking to that person
Metaphors do exist
I actually have met a concerning number of people who idolize The Empire in the original Star Wars trilogy. The one who was always loudest about it willingly moved to Florida recently and is turning sadly right wing. He used to be a super smart punk rocker, too.
That’s strange since the movies don’t really try to give The Empire any redeeming values. It’s pretty literally and figuratively black and white.
But The Empire has a better costume department. …Man I guess I’m in.
Hugo Boss!
If Star Wars was indeed a long, long time ago, that brand has some serious staying power.
DeceptichumEver since I was young, you know, I hated dissension.
Among my peer group, it caused a whole lot of tension.
When the other kids were slouching, I would stand at attention.
And I’ve always looked so good in white.
Better costumes, better toys, no restrictions on the use of force power (can choke out anyone you like).
Let’s face it, Darth Vader is one of the coolest villains of all time. Tons and tons of kids who grew up on Star Wars fantasized about being powerful like him and choking out their enemies in the schoolyard.
Are they independent contractors?
Worse, an AirBnb landlord
My best read on that phenomenon is that a few people took the discussion from Clerks a little further and started arguing as a joke that the empire were just trying to establish order as. They started r/EmpireDidNothingWrong, where irony-poisoned kids began taking the joke seriously, just like the people who legitimately believe the whole “birds aren’t real” theory.
Through victory my chains are broken. For the Empire!
In all seriousness though, it’s fictional space fantasy. When I was a kid, watching the OG trilogy, I always supported the rebels, but as I got older I slowly became way more into the empire. Sometimes it’s just fun to root for the bad guys. Also the dogmatic nature of the Jedi becomes glaringly more obvious as you get older.
SkunkWorkzIn my experience anti establishment scenes always attracts right wingers. Like how the Skinhead movement, which was started by British working class leftist teens, was co-opted by Nazis. Or how those wellness moms and hippies became virulent antivax right wingers.
These people often don’t even know they are right wingers until these oblivious right wingers form critical mass. Not very surprising that punk rocker became a right wing idiot.
The Republic turned on and tried to assassinate the democratically elected leader because of his religion, and because they didn’t want to stop all the wars Republic was constantly fighting, supporting crime syndicates etc.
So stupid.
You watched X and sided with th3 resistance, but continued to set on your butt doing nothing. Your siding took no effort, carried no risks, and made no difference.
Real change takes work.
It’s not saying “do something,” it’s saying “stop supporting the evil empire in real life.”
OkokimupThe problem is that people can map fictional resistance movements onto opposite real life parties. In my college poli Sci class, both I (a known lefty) and the most conservative guy in class excitedly supported the idea of showing V for Vendetta. I guarantee the January 6 guys thought they were in an underdog resistance movement.
Patapon EnjoyerA witch cursed Alan Moore to have fash mouthbreathers relate to his work.
Considering what I know about Alan Moore I’m 50/50 on thinking this literally happened or is just a useful metaphor.
UnityDeviceBut he wrote like that so it’s to be expected, a lot of his stories are ‘what if I retell crazy right-wing fantasy but make the hero kinda lefty a bit’
I think it really shows just how vast the different realities people live in truly are, and how often those individual or collective realities don’t really align with actual reality. The human mind is great at convincing an individual that their biases are the truth, when they can be extremely far from it.
Which poses a fun philosophical question: if 90% of a given population perceive something to be true, does that make it reality?
Which poses a fun philosophical question: if 90% of a given population perceive something to be true, does that make it reality?
The question isn’t all that philosophical, and the answer is yes, for those people.
porcariasagradafirst one must define reality… if by reality you mean being alive and interacting with the world, then beliefs, even if going against fact, affect reality.
I actually have to disagree with this. They are the underdogs. Democrats and traditional Republicans are the establishment. Just because you’re a resistance movement doesnt make you automatically good. Castro led a resistance movement and now it’s a dictatorship.
MacN'CheezusYou either die a hero or you live long enough to become the villain…
I guarantee the January 6 guys thought they were in an underdog resistance movement.
While blasting RATM as they tried to subvert democracy.
I can assure you the jan6 criminals thought they were fighting for the good of the planet. I heard nothing of the changes they “almost” made and how their innocence was going to win out. Coworkers are fuckheads, had zero clue.
It’s all about the story and how it’s told. They chose to believe, poorly.
So he’s defining the current government as evil? Yeah that’s what they do.
Obligatory Independent contractors working on the uncompleted death star…
The brown coats!
spittingimageI’m not sure which of my endless multitude of sins you’re referring to. Can you be specific?
One reason for this is these shows don’t tend to show the morally questionable things a resistance has to do to be able to win. So it’s a lot easier to side with the resistance in Star Wars when they’re just fighting conventionally against the empire. I think a much better depiction of resistance can be seen in Star Trek Deep Space Nine with the Bajorans. They fought the Cardasians in a guerilla war which often led to civilians on both sides being killed. It’s a lot more murky but the Bajorans are still unequivocally viewed as the good guys since it was the only way to resist and get rid of the Cardasians and stop them from killing their people.
maniacalmanicmaniaThe Palestinian struggle is one source of inspiration for the Bajorans. It boggles my mind when I read comments that ‘Bajoran’ episodes are boring.
Fiction SHOULD NOT be equated to real-life.
IRL there are much more complex and serious outcomes which cannot be pre-determined. Hindsight will not save the day as consequences are terrible.
For example, here is some imaginary bullshit that will never happen…
“Things that will never happen for 500, Alex”
<imaginary BS/>
I wish North America or South America or even Europe can setup an Ashkenazi Independent Autonomous Area … perhaps Alsace-Lorraine ? Or somewhere between Poland and Russia ? Any and all Israeli and Philistine citizens wishing to live in peace and harmony can and should move there and re-integrate back into Europe.
Palestinian land should be returned to the original settlers and descendants of those lands since the fall of the Roman Empire.
Hopefully a Joint-UN-led Area of Non-Violence should be established stretching from the Mediterranean to the borders of Pakistan. No “Country” or “Border” or anything. Just Non-Violence DMZ. Any weapons or violence will be considered Death-Sentence through International-Court-for-War-Crimes.
<end-of-imaginary BS/>
We can all dream up solutions that all sound good, but IRL isnt like that. Things dont happen as they should or as we want them to play out.
So the trail of tears is what sounds good to you.
Hypothetical and IRL are very very different. Other peoples guilt doesnt apply to people who never committed the sin. This is exactly the reason I “made up” a situation and you had to prove my point so adequately. “Things that happened but I never said it had to happen for 500, Alex”.