Mr. Bitterness

This Microsoft Recall thing...

While it does actually omit things that it knows are sensitive (e.g. incognito mode in recognized browsers) from the screenshots it saves, things that it does not know about are all fair game.

DuckDuckGo browser? Never heard of it. Let's hoover up all the data we can get.
Signal? 🤷‍♂️ I'll just default to saving everything I see there.
You get the picture...

Jun 3, 2024 at 7:26pmWeb
Show threadMr. BitternessJun 3, 2024

Chrome-based browser windows in incognito (or whatever they call it) mode are actually omitted from the saved screenshots. Which is sort of neat.

However, Windows is apparently unaware that Firefox Private Browsing is a thing. So all that stuff gets saved.

Show threadMr. BitternessJun 3, 2024

Which is kind of weird, as Microsoft explicitly states that Recall will automatically filter private browsing activity with Firefox.

Wishful thinking, perhaps?

Show threadMiss Aemilia🎀Jun 3, 2024
@wdormann Are you able to test how it handles encrypted/marked copyrighted content in chrome and non-chrome browsers? Eg, widevine/EME/PAVP/et al users like Netflix or Amazon Prime Video.
Show threadMr. BitternessJun 3, 2024
@MissAemilia
I'm pretty sure DRM'd stuff is exempt from capture at a pretty low level.
Show threadMiss Aemilia🎀Jun 3, 2024
@wdormann Yeah, that's PAVP protecting it, I was mostly just curious if it was gonna block the window (which would require extra effort) or if it was just gonna use the standard PAVP-protected mechanisms. Basically, how much extra effort was put into protecting corporate interests vs user interests :)
Answer turns out to be... not that much.
Show threadMarkJun 4, 2024
@wdormann I'm just going to assume everything I do on my Windows box is being monitored. Trust no one -- especially Microsoft.
Show threadxyhhx đź”»Jun 4, 2024
@wdormann this suggests that it should be possible to blacklist/whitelist programs from being captured
Show threadMr. BitternessJun 4, 2024
@xyhhx
Yes, you can exclude apps and websites from being indexed.
Show threadxyhhx đź”»Jun 4, 2024

@wdormann that's extremely useful to know, yet i haven't seen this mentioned *anywhere*

if you wouldn't mind adding some alt text, i'd like to. boost this

Show threadEuph0r14Jun 3, 2024
@wdormann afaik it only recognizes the Edge browser, and as a bonus, DRM content in *all* browsers :^)
Show threadWilliamJun 5, 2024
@Euph0r14 @wdormann This actually happens because the screen capture method just cannot read that content. You can test this yourself by pressing PrtSc and pasting the resulting screenshot.
Show threadbarunickJun 3, 2024
@wdormann I sort of expected something like this. Assuming VDI’s will still be used this could be the resurgence of the thin clients, banning personal devices lol
Show threadgigantosJun 3, 2024

@wdormann I would assume this is a property you as an app developer can give to windows in some way.

However, my assumption does give them a huge benefit of the doubt, and I don't know if it is true. It is just the bare minimum to expect of their feature.

On the other hand, this does not matter for apps that are not aware of this, or users using old versions of apps that do know.

But if it is like you suggest, that Microsoft decides, then the feature is worse than I first thought.

Show threadloucoveyJun 3, 2024
@wdormann that’s why I don’t use Windows machines.
Show threadRenéJun 4, 2024
@wdormann qwant.com search origin
france #recall
Show threadMetal.SmurfJun 4, 2024

@wdormann

curious.. if you had DRM content displaying at all times, will it filter out just that window, or the entire screen?

DRM-as-surveillance-antidote was not on my bingo card lol

Show threadMr. BitternessJun 4, 2024
@LiNuXsys666
Just the DRM-protected part of the window.
Show threadBillJun 4, 2024
@wdormann Did you actually test Signal? We have a discussion going in another thread.
Show threadMr. BitternessJun 4, 2024
@Sempf
I'm pretty sure that my screenshot answers your question.
Show threadBillJun 4, 2024
@wdormann For some ungodly reason, I thought that said Skype. My apologies.
Show threadOlivier MenguéJun 4, 2024
@wdormann https://www.microsoft.com/security/business/information-protection
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