Molly WhiteMay 21, 2024

back in my day we called this spyware

#AI #privacy #Microsoft

Show threadScott JensonMay 21, 2024

@molly0xfff No question this could be a violation of privacy. But that violation occurs only if the data is removed from the device. There are amazing potential scenarios with this data, with the very important caveat that it doesn't escape the machine. However I completely understand that people won't trust that this caveat holds. It's just unfortunate that we can't have a discussion of how much potential is indeed possible.

But knee jerk reactions will never allow this discussion to happen.

Show threadEntitasMay 21, 2024
@scottjenson @molly0xfff Thank god there's no way for data on my machine to leave my machine without me knowing about it. There are no means people can access my machine without my consent. This service is completely safe and absolutely nothing can go wrong with an unfiltered log of my passwords and financial data being stored on my machine. Think of the potential.
Show threadKent Pitman

@TheEntity @scottjenson @molly0xfff

The protection is that it's bad with numbers. So people will ask it what your finances are, but it will confabulate different numbers.

OK, I'm just kidding, and it's pretty darned dark humor, but it raises another key issue: We sometimes analyze the risk today by saying "well, there's no way to make use of that now" but then someone makes an unrelated change that means there is a way, and then we don't go back and re-review the things we've let through.

So if we did stupidly rely on how bad these LLMs are with numbers and decide it was OK to see our financials, and then someone fixed its math, we'd have a danger we'd already let through. And it might not be obvious that the thing creating the danger was "We fixed math."

May 21, 2024 at 9:54pmWeb
Show threadEntitasMay 22, 2024
@kentpitman i read this three times and have no idea what you're saying or how it's a reply to me
Show threadKent PitmanMay 22, 2024

@TheEntity

Probably because I thought your response was sarcasm, not literal. :)

Most people are in the opposite position, where there are tons of ways their data can leave their machine and they never know.

Given current tech, even if an LLM were armed with my financial data, the present state of the art might not be able to actually regurgitate it. It seems terrible with math. But that can't hold.

I hope that clarifies it. If not, well, just ignore me. :)

Show threadEntitasMay 22, 2024
@kentpitman Here's a crazy idea: What if it wasn't an LLM getting your financial data off the Windows 11 Spyware App, but just some guy, who can read it and understand it and know how to use it to steal your shit.
Show threadKent PitmanMay 22, 2024

@TheEntity

Oh definitely. So much more to be said on nuance but another time.