@cshentrup Maybe using “woke” a term with a long history to mean “senseless” is a huge mistake.

That’s kind of my whole point here.

@futurebird Sorry, I'm genuinely confused about "woke" having a long history meaning "senseless". All I've ever heard is that it's meant something like "aware of racial persecution or oppression by white people against Black people". Is there a parallel history?

Or am I reading your comment way too literally and we're talking about the co-opting of the word by the right?

@CEvaN I’m admonishing someone for using it that way; it’s bad enough that people mine Black culture with impunity but to have a perfectly beautiful concept like “woke” trashed makes me livid and more solid in my resolve to use it correctly.

Wokeness is exactly what we are lacking and the ugly irony of the abuse of such a powerful concept isn’t lost on me.

@CEvaN Consider the impact of making young people worry that if they are “too political” or demand equal treatment they might be called “woke” and ooo nooo that is not a good thing— it’s cartoonish and scolding— it’s “shrill” it’s goofy black peoples stuff— or crazy trans stuff it’s “too much” not like saving bald eagles! (for now! don’t think those birds are safe!)
@futurebird @CEvaN
My question is, if bald eagles hadn't been the kind of thing a Gopnik would get detailed on their 4wd on a background of US flags would the conservation initiatives have worked as well?

Look at ospreys in the UK for example - not a national symbol, been endangered for decades and idiots still steal the eggs.
@Theriac @CEvaN It absolutely made a difference— and it was ever in danger? it’s telling imo