myrmepropagandist@cshentrup Maybe using “woke” a term with a long history to mean “senseless” is a huge mistake.
That’s kind of my whole point here.
Cord North@futurebird Sorry, I'm genuinely confused about "woke" having a long history meaning "senseless". All I've ever heard is that it's meant something like "aware of racial persecution or oppression by white people against Black people". Is there a parallel history?
Or am I reading your comment way too literally and we're talking about the co-opting of the word by the right?
@CEvaN I’m admonishing someone for using it that way; it’s bad enough that people mine Black culture with impunity but to have a perfectly beautiful concept like “woke” trashed makes me livid and more solid in my resolve to use it correctly.
Wokeness is exactly what we are lacking and the ugly irony of the abuse of such a powerful concept isn’t lost on me.
@CEvaN Consider the impact of making young people worry that if they are “too political” or demand equal treatment they might be called “woke” and ooo nooo that is not a good thing— it’s cartoonish and scolding— it’s “shrill” it’s goofy black peoples stuff— or crazy trans stuff it’s “too much” not like saving bald eagles! (for now! don’t think those birds are safe!)
Martijn Faassen has movedA lot of this is a recycling of anti "politically correct" rhetoric. I wonder what the terms were that were bashed before that, or whether political correctness bashing was a rhetorical innovation.
PalmAndNeedle@faassen @futurebird feminist has gotten it's share of abuse over the decades. So has socialist.
Theriac@futurebird @CEvaN
My question is, if bald eagles hadn't been the kind of thing a Gopnik would get detailed on their 4wd on a background of US flags would the conservation initiatives have worked as well?
Look at ospreys in the UK for example - not a national symbol, been endangered for decades and idiots still steal the eggs.
My question is, if bald eagles hadn't been the kind of thing a Gopnik would get detailed on their 4wd on a background of US flags would the conservation initiatives have worked as well?
Look at ospreys in the UK for example - not a national symbol, been endangered for decades and idiots still steal the eggs.
@futurebird @CEvaN
I think once you get that burning flame of injustice ignited in your chest, the words you use don't matter, same with the words that others try to use against you.
There are enough examples around of people taking a term used to mock them and wearing it as a badge of honour.
I think once you get that burning flame of injustice ignited in your chest, the words you use don't matter, same with the words that others try to use against you.
There are enough examples around of people taking a term used to mock them and wearing it as a badge of honour.
Mrinappropriate@futurebird @CEvaN If we all start to use “ enlightened “ rather than “woke”, we may see progress. 🤞
Ben Ramsey@MrInappropriate @futurebird @CEvaN When “intellectualism” is considered derogatory by the same folks, they’ll also figure out how to turn “enlightened” into a negative thing, too.
Larry Garfield@ramsey @MrInappropriate @futurebird @CEvaN Before woke it was SJW. Before that it was "politically correct." It's all variations on "how dare you question the status quo that has me on top."
Claudio Zizza 🦜@ramsey @futurebird @CEvaN The arrogance of ignorance. Sadly, it has traction. There appears to me to be a huge swathe of the population who are inverted snobs about education, far less intellectualism. Hence the success of #tRump for eg. #LowestCommonDenominator
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Joby (chaotic good)@futurebird @CEvaN Christ, I took a look at the person you originally replied to, and I see why my mods have hidden them from me. What a turd.
tuban_muzuruWhen I first heard "woke", was on the west side of Chicago, with a bunch of Black Identity brothers. They said - "woke" was a moment of enlightenment, rather like the Buddhist concept of immediate enlightnment, the Japanese call it 頓悟 == tongo.
When a Black child, or any other victim of racism, first learns of it, these men said, it's academic, as it is for White people.
But when that Black child becomes the victim of racism, it comes into focus. They hate me!
2/ this was in 1977