CamzingIf you are a Libertarian and hold liberty as your core value, why do you not believe in universal healthcare? Nothing impacts liberty more than sickness and death.
As an American man I only have a 40% chance of developing cancer in my lifetime, but with universal healthcare there’s 100% chance I will have to pay for it.
Do you have health insurance? Well guess what, then you are paying for it already, only more than with universal health care.
I don’t believe in gambling.
gregorumStrange, as you’ve clearly laid out the odds, risks, etc. and you’re betting your life on your supposed “beliefs”.
Sure sounds like gambling to me…
No that’s just risk assessment.
Gambling is things like blackjack, slots, poker or any kind of insurance.
roofuskitInsurance is by definition not gambling. It is only indemnity. The reality is that without insurance you are gambling that you’ll get to keep the money you didn’t spend on insurance and not be financially ruined.
Insurance is gambling because I’m betting that if I get cancer I get a payout larger than the amount I wagered by buying insurance.
That’s not how health insurance works. You would never get more than your medical costs and would almost always get less.
Insurance companies to turn a profit will be charging more then they pay out, but as a single policy-holder there is a good chance they will pay me more then I pay out making it gambling.
but as a single policy-holder there is a good chance they will pay me more then I pay out making it gambling.
But the risk isn’t health insurance vs gambling. That’s a straw man, as not having health insurance is already gambling, and you’re trying to change the argument because your previous reasoning was shown to be faulty.
Nice try.
I’m betting that if I get cancer I get a payout larger than the amount I wagered by buying insurance.
I haven’t tried to change the argument, I clarified it so you could understand.
I’m not the one here with difficulty understanding what the word “gamble” means.
Hope this helps:
I’m explaining my beliefs to you.
What are you getting out of this, by telling me I’m wrong in my beliefs and expanding the definition of gambling to literally anything?
According to you just getting out of bed is gambling because I might get injured but if I get injured in bed that’s gambling too.
You’re “beliefs” - as you’ve explained them - appear to be based on a complete lack of knowledge of what insurance is, what it’s for, or how it works as well as several attempts to redefine the word “gambling” tp what fits your “beliefs.” None of your “beliefs” are supported by the facts— they’re complete contradicted by them.
What are you getting out of this, by telling me I’m wrong in my beliefs and expanding the definition of gambling to literally anything?
you’re spreading false information (your “beliefs”) as fact which could be harmful to others of they’re foolish enough to believe you. I don’t have to gain something in return just to do the right thing by posting the correct information on response. Life isn’t some zero-sum game where I have to be motivate by personal gain simply because your feelings got hurt.
Oh, and I didn’t define gambling— the dictionary did. Blaming me for pointing that out is juvenile. Your interpretations of those definitions are entirely on you.
Why did you put beliefs in quotation marks?
Changing the subject again?
If I was changing the subject it would be the first time as I already clarified that I was clarifying my previous comment while saying the exact same thing, just dumbing it down a bit so it would be easier to understand.
I’m just asking why you put beliefs in quotation marks because it felt like you think those beliefs are not good enough to be considered actual beliefs.
We were talking about health insurance. Now you’re talking about quotation marks and the insecurities you have in your beliefs.
Those two subjects are not the same.
You have changed the subject. I can only surmise it is because you can no longer defend your “beliefs” and wish to distract with a Red Herring.
I don’t have health insurance because I do not agree with gambling.
That is the entirety of my side of this conversation to you so far.
You are telling me that I’m wrong to believe what I do and you seem very invested in doing so.
I don’t want to walk away from this conversation because I feel like it might be rude and that you might actually need someone to talk to.
Is everything going well in your life?
I don’t have health insurance because I do not agree with gambling.
That is, itself, gambling. I’ve proven that by *posting the definition of the word “gambling.”
Again, for reference:
That is the entirety of my side of this conversation to you so far.
Except for when you tried to change the subject to unemployment insurance, crossing the road, or my usage of quotation marks.
You are telling me that I’m wrong to believe what I do and you seem very invested in doing so.
I have told you - repeatedly - that your “beliefs” are clearly (based on everything you keep saying) based on a complete lack of understanding as to what insurance is, what it’s for, and how it works as well as not really knowing the definition or the word “gambling”. If you heard something other than what I’ve said, that’s on you.
I don’t want to walk away from this conversation because I feel like it might be rude and that you might actually need someone to talk to.
Is everything going well in your life?
Oh, more ad hominem attacks and deflection. Seems like you’re all out of arguments.
You define gambling as anything that has an outcome.
Ya know, I’ve said this repeatedly, but you seem to be having memory problems, so I’ll repeat it:
I didn’t define anything. The dictionary did.
For reference:
What I’m doing is not risky, so it isn’t gambling by that definition.
In your very first comment on this post, you clearly lay out the risk (and hopeful outcome).
As an American man I only have a 40% chance of developing cancer in my lifetime, but with universal healthcare there’s 100% chance I will have to pay for it.
Seems like your memory problems are getting worse… too bad you don’t have health insurance, or you could go see a doctor to have that checked out ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
So you saying that being an American male is inherently risky?
Changing the subject again?
Nice straw man.
All American makes have a 40% chance of developing cancer in their lifetimes which you are saying is risky.
So you’re saying it’s risky to be an American male.
Do you know what a strawman is?
All American makes have a 40% chance of developing cancer in their lifetimes which you are saying is risky
You said that. You defined the risk. Are you having memory problems again and think that I made your comment?
So you’re saying it’s risky to be an American male.
That is the conclusion you have drawn based on the risk you, yourself, defined. Yet, you’re blaming me for things you did.
Do you know what a strawman is?
Sure: when you try to change the subject from health insurance to:
- “being an American male”
- unemployment insurance
- your wages
- my usage of quotation marks
These ar just a few examples of the straw man arguments you’ve tried here.
You brought up wages and employment insurance, though?
I asked about your usage of the quotation marks because it seems like you feel like my beliefs are less then.
This is totally bringing me back to my Reddit days, so thank you for that!
You brought up wages and employment insurance, though?
Gee, those memory problems seem to be getting worse. Seems pretty foolish to have gambled on not getting health insurance when you appear to be in such need.
I asked about your usage of the quotation marks because it seems like you feel like my beliefs are less then.
A straw man and deflection. Your insecurities about your “beliefs” has nothing to do with health insurance.
This is totally bringing me back to my Reddit days, so thank you for that!
Yeah, people here usually don’t use so many obvious logical fallacies and circular arguments like you do. Most people know better.
You’re gambling that there’s someone willing to pay that amount for your labor. The stakes? Your financial security.
This was you bringing up wages before the cherry-picked comment.
And Here you are bringing it up first in the very comment I was replying to.
Now who’s cherry picking? Or is it just your severe memory problems again?
Why didn’t you lead with that comment?
You’re still operating under some silly idea that I have some sort of obligation to you. I don’t.
And you’re hardly someone from which I would take debate advice.
I’m having a friendly conversation with you.
It’s not a debate.
friendly
debate
Two more words you apparently don’t know the definitions of.
I don’t know your definitions of these words, because I’m having a friendly conversation with you, but you feel it’s a debate that’s causing you anguish.