CamzingIf you are a Libertarian and hold liberty as your core value, why do you not believe in universal healthcare? Nothing impacts liberty more than sickness and death.
As an American man I only have a 40% chance of developing cancer in my lifetime, but with universal healthcare there’s 100% chance I will have to pay for it.
Do you have health insurance? Well guess what, then you are paying for it already, only more than with universal health care.
I don’t believe in gambling.
gregorumStrange, as you’ve clearly laid out the odds, risks, etc. and you’re betting your life on your supposed “beliefs”.
Sure sounds like gambling to me…
No that’s just risk assessment.
Gambling is things like blackjack, slots, poker or any kind of insurance.
A risk assessment is a normal part of gambling. You’re just describing games, like the one you’re playing now to rationalize your gambling with your own life by avoiding getting any sort of health insurance.
A deck of cards or a die are normal parts of gambling too but they aren’t intrinsically gambling either.
They are when you bet something on the outcome— ya know, gambling… like how you risk both your financial future and your life when you choose to not have health insurance.
So would you consider walking on the side of a road gambling?
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roofuskitInsurance is by definition not gambling. It is only indemnity. The reality is that without insurance you are gambling that you’ll get to keep the money you didn’t spend on insurance and not be financially ruined.
Insurance is gambling because I’m betting that if I get cancer I get a payout larger than the amount I wagered by buying insurance.
That’s not how health insurance works. You would never get more than your medical costs and would almost always get less.
Insurance companies to turn a profit will be charging more then they pay out, but as a single policy-holder there is a good chance they will pay me more then I pay out making it gambling.
but as a single policy-holder there is a good chance they will pay me more then I pay out making it gambling.
But the risk isn’t health insurance vs gambling. That’s a straw man, as not having health insurance is already gambling, and you’re trying to change the argument because your previous reasoning was shown to be faulty.
Nice try.
I’m betting that if I get cancer I get a payout larger than the amount I wagered by buying insurance.
I haven’t tried to change the argument, I clarified it so you could understand.
I’m not the one here with difficulty understanding what the word “gamble” means.
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I’m explaining my beliefs to you.
What are you getting out of this, by telling me I’m wrong in my beliefs and expanding the definition of gambling to literally anything?
According to you just getting out of bed is gambling because I might get injured but if I get injured in bed that’s gambling too.
You’re “beliefs” - as you’ve explained them - appear to be based on a complete lack of knowledge of what insurance is, what it’s for, or how it works as well as several attempts to redefine the word “gambling” tp what fits your “beliefs.” None of your “beliefs” are supported by the facts— they’re complete contradicted by them.
What are you getting out of this, by telling me I’m wrong in my beliefs and expanding the definition of gambling to literally anything?
you’re spreading false information (your “beliefs”) as fact which could be harmful to others of they’re foolish enough to believe you. I don’t have to gain something in return just to do the right thing by posting the correct information on response. Life isn’t some zero-sum game where I have to be motivate by personal gain simply because your feelings got hurt.
Oh, and I didn’t define gambling— the dictionary did. Blaming me for pointing that out is juvenile. Your interpretations of those definitions are entirely on you.
Why did you put beliefs in quotation marks?
Changing the subject again?
If I was changing the subject it would be the first time as I already clarified that I was clarifying my previous comment while saying the exact same thing, just dumbing it down a bit so it would be easier to understand.
I’m just asking why you put beliefs in quotation marks because it felt like you think those beliefs are not good enough to be considered actual beliefs.
We were talking about health insurance. Now you’re talking about quotation marks and the insecurities you have in your beliefs.
Those two subjects are not the same.
You have changed the subject. I can only surmise it is because you can no longer defend your “beliefs” and wish to distract with a Red Herring.
I don’t have health insurance because I do not agree with gambling.
That is the entirety of my side of this conversation to you so far.
You are telling me that I’m wrong to believe what I do and you seem very invested in doing so.
I don’t want to walk away from this conversation because I feel like it might be rude and that you might actually need someone to talk to.
Is everything going well in your life?
I don’t have health insurance because I do not agree with gambling.
That is, itself, gambling. I’ve proven that by *posting the definition of the word “gambling.”
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That is the entirety of my side of this conversation to you so far.
Except for when you tried to change the subject to unemployment insurance, crossing the road, or my usage of quotation marks.
You are telling me that I’m wrong to believe what I do and you seem very invested in doing so.
I have told you - repeatedly - that your “beliefs” are clearly (based on everything you keep saying) based on a complete lack of understanding as to what insurance is, what it’s for, and how it works as well as not really knowing the definition or the word “gambling”. If you heard something other than what I’ve said, that’s on you.
I don’t want to walk away from this conversation because I feel like it might be rude and that you might actually need someone to talk to.
Is everything going well in your life?
Oh, more ad hominem attacks and deflection. Seems like you’re all out of arguments.
You define gambling as anything that has an outcome.
Ya know, I’ve said this repeatedly, but you seem to be having memory problems, so I’ll repeat it:
I didn’t define anything. The dictionary did.
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The entirety of our economic structure is gambling.
All of it.
No, I set a value on my labor and I take that value, no more or less.
You’re gambling that there’s someone willing to pay that amount for your labor. The stakes? Your financial security.
That’s not gambling.
That is working.
That is working.
Not if you lose your bet that anyone is willing to pay you your desired wage. Then it’s unemployment because you gambled and lost. And even if they do agree, it’s just luck that you won— but it’s still a gamble.
Unemployment insurance is insurance too so I wouldn’t apply for that as a matter of principle.
Good thing it’s typically mandated by state law. You don’t have a choice when it’s deducted from your paycheck in most cases, and you’re automatically enrolled. (In some states and situations, it’s paid for by the employers). Whether you ever take advantage of that is another matter.
However, that’s irrelevant. All you’ve done here is demonstrate poor decision-making skills, and a profound misunderstanding of the concepts of both insurance and gambling.
I already said I wouldn’t apply for it.
Then that’s foolish, but not really relevant to this discussion about health insurance… Unless your point is to illustrate that you have no real idea about what insurance is or how it works.
My point here is something else entirely, but you wouldn’t understand.
Since you haven’t managed to make your point in nearly a dozen comments on this subject…. I doubt that…
Unless you’re saying that you wasted all this time discussing something other than your point, in which case… why?
Coming from the person who doesn’t “get” what insurance is or the meaning of the word “gambling” means until I had to post the definition from a dictionary.
I’m talking about being against gambling and you are trying to define gambling as doing anything because it might have an outcome - this isn’t a good-faith stance in this conversation which we are having.
I didn’t define gambling— the dictionary did. Blaming me because certain words have certain meanings is irrational, and is certainly not good-faith. And attacking me personally just because you have no other argument is just an Ad hominem.
Where am I attacking you personally?
Have lost track of what you’ve said already? Are you having a sudden attack of very convenient amnesia?
I have not attacked you personally so I’m asking you to show me.
If it is a personal attack I will apologize.
I am not responsible for your actions nor for helping you to gain absolution or forgiveness. If you lack the self-awareness to realize what you’ve said or have a such a poor memory that you can’t remember from one comment to the next, then perhaps you should be tending to those issues rather than arguing with strangers online.
Then you need to define gambling and working in no uncertain or ambiguous terms.
When describing that which you do not wish to partake in, you gotta be REAL clear.
Then we can understand what you mean by gambling vs working.
I don’t need to because I never walk into a casino in Vegas and end up working instead of gambling but that’s because I don’t gamble.
Then no one will know how you define each. Get ready for now unnecessary discussions.
This thread has 137 comments, I’m born ready.
Oh, you’re just a troll. I get it now.
I’m not a troll.
I like your username!