Kris  
Gender segregated bathrooms are sexist and should be banned and im not kidding
May 17, 2024 at 5:48pmWeb
Show threadEmelia/EmiMay 17, 2024

@endali Especially otherwise-identical single-user ones! It makes no sense to have a line for one single-user toilet while the other is completely unused.

There's a burrito place I've been to before that has no less than three single-user toilets in a tiny burrito joint: a unisex "employees only" (it's not marked as a toilet, I only know because they left the door open once) and two gendered single-user ones. And unlike a lot of places around here, the "men's" toilet doesn't have a urinal. They're identical if it wasn't for the sign on the doors.

Show threadT0╳F03Æ                       May 17, 2024
@becomethewaifu @endali the three genders
- men
- women
- employees
Show threadThibaultmol 🌈May 17, 2024
@endali it's one of those things; like anti-homeless benches.
Once you know to pay attention to it, you notice it everywhere.
(I'm not enby myself but now know multiple enbies so it's in my head to think about)
Show threadtyzbitMay 17, 2024
@endali

women using bathrooms previously specified as for men: unsafe, isolated

women using bathrooms previously specified as for women: unsafe, uncertain to gauge the threat before walking in

men using bathrooms previously specified as for men: no change for decent guys, for shitty guys now they can harass women in an isolated area away from other people while she's her most vulnerable (and perhaps unable to be heard if she screams)

men using bathrooms previously specified as for women: the patriarchy grows stronger

Can you outline how these statements are not true or accurate -- or if they are true, how it's still worth banning gender-specific bathrooms?
Show threadKris  May 17, 2024

@tyzbit normalising men acting shitty in bathrooms is the same mindset as "if they didnt want to get molested they should not get into walk bad parts of town", it doesnt adress the problem at all

It's men who need to learn to behave, not women who need to be penalised for the few shitheads acting out of place by having to wait 10x longer in the bathroom queue

Maybe disgusting cishet men being stripped of their own space that they can be machismo in will do something good for their narrow mind

Show threadtyzbitMay 17, 2024
@endali they were obviously not normalizing anything, they were predictions based on the experiences women have told me and said they would expect if there were no separate bathrooms.

I recommend asking women in your life what they think would happen if bathrooms were no longer separate. I think you'll be surprised at the answers, based on your understanding demonstrated here.
Show threadChris DowneyMay 17, 2024
@endali @tyzbit I agree with the principle but I fear such a policy would put some women at risk who did not choose to be on the front line.
Show threadWobblyElmerMay 17, 2024

@Chrisdowney @endali @tyzbit

jfc... all you gotta do is not be an asshole. WTF are we going to normalize that?

Show threadtyzbitMay 17, 2024
@WobblyElmer @Chrisdowney @endali I appreciate your ferocity and your message is dead simple, however I only control me. There are 4 billion other men on this planet and I can't stop them from being an asshole so I have to make decisions based on the behavior I expect them to have, not on the behavior they should have. Until we are able to effectively keep men from being an asshole, I suggest we make decisions based on how people actually behave.
Show threadAcorn SquashbucklerMay 17, 2024

@tyzbit @endali Yeah, I think these issues stand if we keep the layout of the bathroom the same. If we change things around so stall walls go from floor to ceiling and the public parts of the washroom (sinks and such) are visible to the public from an open doorway, the threat of isolation goes away and with it at least some of the danger.

I'm not really in a position to comment on how this fares when widely implemented, but I've seen it in use once and it worked well for that restaurant.

Show thread13 barn owls in a trenchcoatMay 17, 2024

@endali they're mostly mixed in my part of France, and it's great, having lived in places with more strongly segregated public toilets.

Shorter queues, no gender weirdness, everyone behaves and keeps things clean.

Show threadAcorn SquashbucklerMay 17, 2024

@endali Best solution to this I've seen was at a local burger joint. An open doorway looking directly onto a full row of sinks and mirrors on the right, and rows of fully private bathroom stalls to the left. Stalls contain either a single toilet or urinal, clearly marked on the door, and the doors and walls go all the way from the floor to the ceiling.

It's honestly so fucking simple to have joint public washrooms. We just need stalls that go all the way to the floor like they should to begin with.