db0May 16, 2024

Nice Guy

https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/20393540

Nice Guy - Divisions by zero

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Show threadIrateAnteaterMay 16, 2024
The analogy kind of falls apart since she is not limited to this guy and Chad. She’s free to choose nothing at all. With Trump vs Biden, there’s no viable third option, and having no president is not one of the options. So the “Trump is worse” argument becomes viable simply because you do have to choose one of them.
Show threaddb0May 16, 2024
Continue with that analogy. What would happen if that woman had no other option. Should she choose the nice guy, the chad or object to the choice being fostered upon her and choose nobody? And if she’s paired anyway with that person, should she then act as if it was her choice, or take actions to disengage from that person and destroy the system that caused these turn of events?
Show threadPennomiMay 16, 2024
You can tactically vote for Biden to avoid Trump and still take actions to dismantle the system.
Show threaddb0May 16, 2024
So the woman in our scenario should decide to choose the “Nice Guy” tactically?
Show threadPennomiMay 16, 2024
No, I’m saying that your analogy breaks down.
Show threaddb0May 16, 2024
I don’t think it does. A choice fostered upon me at the threat of violence is not a choice at all. I refuse to participate and therefore legitimize such a farce.
Show threadTigrisMorteMay 16, 2024
You are participating regardless. You are simply letting others decide for you.
Show threadRemmockMay 16, 2024
Abstention has historically been a way to declare your distaste for all options and, outside of America, is regarded as honorable. For some reason Americans don’t get that a massive absence at the polls isn’t just about “having better things to do”.
Show threadTigrisMorte
It historically has been and shall always remain an ineffectual and pointless way to assure you and your interests are not a part of the calculation in any way. The fewer that Vote the easier it is to "manage" the remainder. No one, literally no one including the nonvoters themselves cares a single whit for the opinions of nonvoters. Refusal to participate makes your position meaningless. It is the "holding your breath" of the lazy and immature adult. Nothing more and nothing less.
May 16, 2024 at 6:51pmWeb
Show threadRemmockMay 16, 2024

Wow. You have a severe issue with people who are presented some options and say: “No, thanks.”

I have a civic duty that if I am not represented by a candidate, that I do not muster support behind that candidate. If a political party needs my support, it is their responsibility and not mine to attract the voters they claim to need.

You can watch the constant sliding of Democrats toward the right and the vacillating popularity of fringe-left parties to know that the Democratic Party doesn’t give a damn about winning left-fringe voters. After Nader secured over 3 million votes in 2000, do you think the Democratic party learned a single lesson? Or did they just shit the bed all over again in 2004? Did Obama run on any of the 2000 Green Party’s positions?

I’ll save you the effort: The Democratic Party opted to adopt 0 of the Green Party positions from the 2000 election.

So tell me all about how voting Third-Party somehow sends a message.