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grueA woman has the legitimate choice to go out with a third guy or nobody. We do not have a legitimate choice of anybody but Biden or Trump for president. One of the two will be chosen.
This meme is stupid and amounts to pro-fascist propaganda.
LinkOpensChest.wavFascism is when you don’t support a genocidal leader
Fascism is when you rule with an axe.
originaluciferyoure going to get a lot of hate for stating facts.
theres a huge contingent here on lemmy who really want fascism to win, so theyre attempting to guilt people into voting for a 3rd party
orcaFascism is already winning. It’s going to win regardless of whether we vote for Trump or Biden. That’s just the reality of it. Vote for whoever the fuck you want. That’s your freedom. Just know that in America, the ruling class will never part with even a shred of their power.
i hate the dems as useless conservatives, but this 'BoTh SideS aRe thE SAME' argument is crap.
you might as well just say 'everyone give up, humanity is over'.
It’s not giving up though; it’s acknowledging a reality and making a decision with that information. The alternative is that we get stuck in this nauseating infinite loop of voting for “the lesser of two evils,” while the working class bicker. Both sides aren’t the same, but they lead to the same outcome—as we’ve seen over and over. This is the trap they have put us in and these are the intended results.
Humanity isn’t over, but America is. Its already fascist, and now we just wait for the empire to crumble.
Giving up and giving in are the same thing to the ruling class. They appreciate your support…not you specifically, but rather the investment they’ve made to make you accept their rule as fate.
It’s not giving up; it’s acknowledging the reality of the Groundhog Day movie we’re stuck in, and doing what you will with that information. This endless circle of the working class bickering over “the lesser of two evils” every 4 years needs to end.
Sure, as soon as the working class realizes that isn’t the choice. The choice is obvious. People voting for the right, the party for the owner class are being tricked into voting for the same bosses that treat them like shit.
This prevents the working class people from being elected because the cost of running has been driven up by the right so all we have left are weathly democrats and those that aren’t, those that made the mistake of baretending are ridiculed and the working class who votes right join in the piling.
They are class traitors and need this both sides narrative to justify being played for the fools they are
It’s a situation with no correct answer, and that’s what makes it so frustrating. That’s generally why I point out that we’re just looking at different flavors of fascism, but people should still vote however the hell they want, or don’t.
This comment is, in and of itself, facist.
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Identification of enemies as a unifying cause (leftists)
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Attacking anybody left of mid right biden for sowing political disunity and furthering degeneracy / good ole blatant misinformation (claims that third party voters just want Trump)
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Insistence that “ONLY WE” can save the country.
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Appeals to totalitarianism (“Only one of these two can be chosen”)
America is already fascist, has been, and Democrats are just blue MAGA - Which is why they don’t mind Republicans and dedicate their lives to attacking the left while blaming us for any and every loss (another faschie tactic.)
Found the metaphorical incel
The analogy kind of falls apart since she is not limited to this guy and Chad. She’s free to choose nothing at all. With Trump vs Biden, there’s no viable third option, and having no president is not one of the options. So the “Trump is worse” argument becomes viable simply because you do have to choose one of them.
Continue with that analogy. What would happen if that woman had no other option. Should she choose the nice guy, the chad or object to the choice being fostered upon her and choose nobody? And if she’s paired anyway with that person, should she then act as if it was her choice, or take actions to disengage from that person and destroy the system that caused these turn of events?
You can tactically vote for Biden to avoid Trump and still take actions to dismantle the system.
So the woman in our scenario should decide to choose the “Nice Guy” tactically?
No, I’m saying that your analogy breaks down.
I don’t think it does. A choice fostered upon me at the threat of violence is not a choice at all. I refuse to participate and therefore legitimize such a farce.
You’re free to do nothing, but smart people choose to minimize harm when there are only bad choices in front of them.
Who said I’m “doing nothing”? Voting isn’t doing anything. Only actions outside the ballot matter.
Voting isn’t doing anything? Did you not see what happened when Trump got to pick three Supreme Court justices? Roe is gone dude. This stuff matters.
It really doesn’t. This is the momentum of your country either way. Or did you forget that your democrats had chances to put Supreme Court justices and they just…didn’t?
What are you talking about? The senate has to approve them. The GOP controlled the senate.
Hrc won the popular vote. How did voting harm reduction then do anyone any good?
I don’t understand the question. We don’t elect based on popular vote.
I'm saying hrc votes were worthless; throw away votes. Hence a non vote was the same, and a third party vote was at least as valuable, and when enough people support a third party candidate, it will be worth more, because it shows the two major parties they have something to worry about.
This is also a good point. I think we’d have a better shot at electing a third-party candidate than we would of pushing an establishment democrat left.
Dems have made it abundantly clear they are willing to move further right than a centimeter to the left. Also my American compatriots see socially left and assume economically left when that's just not the case. Socially left is great, until everyone is homeless, hungry and sick, equally.
Not to mention that even the “socially left” is highly questionable. When I see a leader who’s willing to throw other marginalized groups such as Palestinians, refugees, and BIPOC under the bus, I have no doubt he’d have us LGBTQIA+ people lined up and executed if he thought it would help him win elections. Establishment Democrats are not allies, no matter how many rainbows they project on the White House.
This is a great point. I've said you're either human rights or rights for me and mine, not thee and thine." If you're pro black but not pro women, pro women but not pro lgbtqia, etc.
Yep, this is how I see it too. Solidarity. If we don’t stand up for each other, then we all fall.
Nope. The folks that Voted remained in consideration as there was another Election. Those that didn't Vote were ignored. One of the primary reasons Biden got the Nod to be the Candidate in 2020 was that those that did not Vote could not be counted on to show up and thus the potential Candidates they would support were ignored from the considerations as they couldn't be counted on.
You act like Bernie wasn't ignored anyway. Please.
He wasn't, and isn't ignored. In fact his opinion is posted in papers all over the World for the single reason that People Voted for him. Who has more sway in getting the message out? The guy that Voted for Bernie to be paid attention to, OR the self important sat it out and thus has no one interested in what they wanted as they don't vote Purist?
I was talking about the dnc ignoring him. I wrote him in.
They didn't. Lots of folks that claimed to be supporters didn't show up to Vote in the Primary and thus Bernie lost the Primary.
Folks that stayed home to prove a point made sure the SC would get the three. Failure to Vote resulted in the harm. Had those folks Voted, harm would have been reduced. You the failure of your own position.
Right, because the dnc totally didn't ignore Bernie Sanders, or Dennis Kucinich. Again, please.
Both matter. We need to do both.
Non-participation is not the same as doing nothing. If she chooses to date neither, neither is in her life. If you do nothing, you still get trump or Biden. The analogy doesn’t hold.
And so I refer you back to my first comment in this thread
I have read it don’t be an ass. Say a point or don’t.
My point to this kind of comment is made in that post. We’re just looping at this point.
If the comment was sufficient we wouldn’t be here. It’s a shit analogy.
Non-participation is not the same as doing nothing. If she chooses to date neither, neither is in her life. If you do nothing, you still get trump or Biden. The analogy doesn’t hold.
Continue with that analogy. What would happen if that woman had no other option. Should she choose the nice guy, the chad or object to the choice being fostered upon her and choose nobody? And if she’s paired anyway with that person, should she then act as if it was her choice, or take actions to disengage from that person and destroy the system that caused these turn of events?
It fits. You say the analogy doesn’t fit because “we don’t have a choice”. I tell you to adjust the analogy so that the woman doesn’t have a choice either.
If you and I choose not to vote for Trump or Biden, who do we wind up with?
If the woman doesn’t choose any, who does she end up with? What should she do about it? You clearly see the absurdity when presented as an analogy, but you cannot see the similarity because the violence of the politicians is many levels removed from you.
I live in the gulf coast. The violence is not removed from me. It’s worse here than anywhere else. You know nothing about me or my family.
Interesting you dropped off that SCOTUS discussion. You seemed pretty smug and sure there too.
The fact that you’re continuously dodging the questions is not lost on me
I didn’t dodge questions. Some of us critiqued your shit analogy and you got butthurt. That’s what happened here.
Have a good one mate. Last word is all yours - I’m sure it’s very important to you.
Cognitive dissonance is uncomfortable. I'm still struggling through plenty of it, with no clear answers. I acknowledge it, and also acknowledge at this late age, my imaginative abilities have atrophied, significantly. :-/
And the point is she doesn’t have to have anybody. We do. We have. 2 people and 1 of them will be here whether we like it or not. We can’t opt out.
Again, assume she has the same lack of choice. What should she do? Why does that differ from what we should do?
agamemnonymousIf she has the same lack of choice, she should absolutely choose the lesser evil for now and do what she can to rectify the situation after. She can bide her time with the “nice guy” while devising a plan of escape. If she gets stuck with the the abuser, she very well may not survive long enough to make the attempt.
You’re right, it doesn’t differ from what we should do: mitigate damage now to buy time to develop more meaningful solutions.
I’m just saving all these golden takes.