db0May 16, 2024

Nice Guy

https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/20393540

Nice Guy - Divisions by zero

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Show threadIrateAnteaterMay 16, 2024
The analogy kind of falls apart since she is not limited to this guy and Chad. She’s free to choose nothing at all. With Trump vs Biden, there’s no viable third option, and having no president is not one of the options. So the “Trump is worse” argument becomes viable simply because you do have to choose one of them.
Show threaddb0May 16, 2024
Continue with that analogy. What would happen if that woman had no other option. Should she choose the nice guy, the chad or object to the choice being fostered upon her and choose nobody? And if she’s paired anyway with that person, should she then act as if it was her choice, or take actions to disengage from that person and destroy the system that caused these turn of events?
Show threadPennomiMay 16, 2024
You can tactically vote for Biden to avoid Trump and still take actions to dismantle the system.
Show threaddb0May 16, 2024
So the woman in our scenario should decide to choose the “Nice Guy” tactically?
Show threadPennomiMay 16, 2024
No, I’m saying that your analogy breaks down.
Show threaddb0May 16, 2024
I don’t think it does. A choice fostered upon me at the threat of violence is not a choice at all. I refuse to participate and therefore legitimize such a farce.
Show threadBolexForSoupMay 16, 2024
Non-participation is not the same as doing nothing. If she chooses to date neither, neither is in her life. If you do nothing, you still get trump or Biden. The analogy doesn’t hold.
Show threaddb0May 16, 2024
And so I refer you back to my first comment in this thread
Show threadBolexForSoup
I have read it don’t be an ass. Say a point or don’t.
May 16, 2024 at 12:00pmWeb
Show threaddb0May 16, 2024
My point to this kind of comment is made in that post. We’re just looping at this point.
Show threadBolexForSoupMay 16, 2024
If the comment was sufficient we wouldn’t be here. It’s a shit analogy.
Show threaddb0May 16, 2024

Non-participation is not the same as doing nothing. If she chooses to date neither, neither is in her life. If you do nothing, you still get trump or Biden. The analogy doesn’t hold.

Continue with that analogy. What would happen if that woman had no other option. Should she choose the nice guy, the chad or object to the choice being fostered upon her and choose nobody? And if she’s paired anyway with that person, should she then act as if it was her choice, or take actions to disengage from that person and destroy the system that caused these turn of events?

It fits. You say the analogy doesn’t fit because “we don’t have a choice”. I tell you to adjust the analogy so that the woman doesn’t have a choice either.

Show threadBolexForSoupMay 16, 2024
If you and I choose not to vote for Trump or Biden, who do we wind up with?
Show threaddb0May 16, 2024
If the woman doesn’t choose any, who does she end up with? What should she do about it? You clearly see the absurdity when presented as an analogy, but you cannot see the similarity because the violence of the politicians is many levels removed from you.
Show threadBolexForSoupMay 16, 2024

I live in the gulf coast. The violence is not removed from me. It’s worse here than anywhere else. You know nothing about me or my family.

Interesting you dropped off that SCOTUS discussion. You seemed pretty smug and sure there too.

Show threaddb0May 16, 2024
The fact that you’re continuously dodging the questions is not lost on me
Show threadBolexForSoupMay 16, 2024

I didn’t dodge questions. Some of us critiqued your shit analogy and you got butthurt. That’s what happened here.

Have a good one mate. Last word is all yours - I’m sure it’s very important to you.

Show threadMaeveMay 16, 2024
Cognitive dissonance is uncomfortable. I'm still struggling through plenty of it, with no clear answers. I acknowledge it, and also acknowledge at this late age, my imaginative abilities have atrophied, significantly. :-/
Show threadBolexForSoupMay 16, 2024
And the point is she doesn’t have to have anybody. We do. We have. 2 people and 1 of them will be here whether we like it or not. We can’t opt out.
Show threaddb0May 16, 2024
Again, assume she has the same lack of choice. What should she do? Why does that differ from what we should do?
Show threadagamemnonymousMay 16, 2024

If she has the same lack of choice, she should absolutely choose the lesser evil for now and do what she can to rectify the situation after. She can bide her time with the “nice guy” while devising a plan of escape. If she gets stuck with the the abuser, she very well may not survive long enough to make the attempt.

You’re right, it doesn’t differ from what we should do: mitigate damage now to buy time to develop more meaningful solutions.

Show threaddb0May 16, 2024
I’m just saving all these golden takes.
Show threadagamemnonymousMay 16, 2024
Good on you, it’s never too late to learn.
Show threadDanteriousMay 16, 2024

You could adjust it to talk about arranged marriages instead.

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Show threaddb0May 16, 2024
That’s a good point actually. Arranged marriages existed for thousands of years. Women and girls were usually not given a choice, but even if when they were and chose the “lesser evil” it did nothing to end the tradition and evils of arranged marriage.
Show threadMaeveMay 16, 2024
Arranged marriages are still a thing. My Indian friend was quite happily a bachelor at 23 until his parents presented him with a choice of three brides or be disinherited and kicked out if the family business and family home compound. He traveled to India to meet his choices and returned married. I'm not sure either of them are happy, but they are parents. That's got to be good for their child, right?
Show threadBolexForSoupMay 16, 2024
That would make way more sense tbh