So... I've read some things lately about the big evil G that have put me into unease. The problem is, I use Google for absolutely everything right now, and have for as long as Google has existed. It's tied into everything and I need to break free.

These are the Google things I use regularly:

* Email - Gmail (I have many years of email that I've saved in my account)
* Browser - Chrome (including saving my passwords)
* Writing - Docs (I need collaborative capabilities and a place to safely save my work)
* Spreadsheets - Sheets (used for organizing various things, collaborative options are very needed and used often)

My phone is even a Google Pixel phone, of course running Android and integrated into everything I do.

I am not very tech savvy. I need user-friendly, reliable, relatively easy to learn options for everything I use, and I have zero idea where to begin.

I've done searches online for alternatives, but nothing is really standing out to me as being a good replacement. If you have any ideas for me (and dear god let them please be free or have reasonable pricing) please let me know.

Thank you for any advice!

#help #google #degoogle

Edited to add: Thank you all so much for your thoughts and responses, I got more than I bargained for, haha! I have this post bookmarked and will take in the information at my own pace.

I will be muting this post as I have been a little overwhelmed with the responses, but I really appreciate all the input for when I have time to process it. :3

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@Bwee

Proton Mail for E-Mail, Firefox as a web browser (export your passwords!), https://cryptpad.fr as a Google-Docs replacement (it did have sheets if I don't misremember?) :)

As for the phone, if you feel like it (you really don't have to though!) you can install something like GrapheneOS on it, which is surprisingly easy considering you just need the phone, some Chrome-Based browser and a USB-C Cable

(the installation works from the browser over USB! It's insane, you literally just click some buttons with the phone connected)

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@cyrus @Bwee
+1 for Graphene on Pixel. It's super super easy and works very well.

@Bwee As a tech savy person, I can say this: Degoogeling is a "best effort" thing. It is near impossible. It has snuck into more parts of our lives than Facebook is even close to. I have mostly cut ties with Meta with the exception of using messenger a few times.

Google is near impossible not to relate to on a frequent basis :/

Take it slow, do what you are able to do step by step. But you most likely will not be able to be free from them.

We need laws and regulations for companies like this to be our main way to handle their evil.

@lettosprey @Bwee THIS. All of this... I'm not thinking I'll be able to completely "degoogle" in the 100%, but yeah... I wanna try. I got a Gmail acct that I have had forever, and that is gonna be the hardest to move

I want ot use Protonmail as the new service to take that email on but.. not sure if I'll have problems re-registering on services woth a Proton mail acct

@Bwee a good replacement for Google docs is Cryptpad. There are many providers but cryptpad.fr is the flagship instance.

For email I use @Tutanota . Though gmail is very rich in features, some of which aren't (yet) part of tuta mail. @protonprivacy is also a good choice for mail, though I have no personal experience with them.

@Bwee also a very big +1 for the KeepassXC+Firefox recommendation. For mobile I use KeePassDX, which is compatible and Fennec as browser.

Though keepass stores your passwords (encrypted) in a file, so if you need to access them on another device, you would need to copy over that file. I store mine in a cloud so it syncs automatically but I host my own cloud, so finding a cloud storage provider wasn't too hard. If that is too much of a hassle for you Bitwarden is a good alternative.

@Pixdigit @Bwee You could also syncronize the file between devices with SyncThing so you don't have to store it in the cloud.
@Pixdigit @Bwee
I've also been degoogling myself; I've switched to Firefox as my main browser and slapped some extensions on it (Ublock origin, something that handles cookie banners, sponsorblock, etc), I also use
@protonprivacy as my email now, but I still use gmail for stuff that spams my inbox.

For note taking, I used to use google keep, and then one note, but I switched to
@obsidian cause it stores locally on your device (my portable hard drive) and uses plain markdown files. For passwords I recommend @bitwarden as a password manager.

@Bwee For email, I'm not sure. I use Outlook, personally, but then again I have done for years.

For a browser, I use Firefox, personally, with DuckDuckGo as my search engine.

For writing, I use LibreOffice. It's a free download and works every bit as well as Word.

Can't help with spreadsheets, I'm afraid, and I'm not sure where you'd go for non-Apple alternatives to Android.

@Bwee I know there's Nextcloud+Collabora Online to replace Google Drive and Google Docs but we've never got to use it to collaborate. I think there are a few public instances on Nextcloud's website?
(Collabora uses LibreOffice's format)
Otherwise we're not sure. Maybe
@Machaonix might be able to suggest more alternatives?

@shift @Bwee
Ok, i've donne somme research and i found this instance : https://numericloud.eu/

The only problem is that with free account you can only read office document (not colaorative) but there an etherpad

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@Bwee Depends on how much you are willing to pay for your services.

To get it out of the way: if you're okay with Microsoft (I'm not fwiw), Office 365 has all the bells and whistles of the g-suite.

There are also a slew of smaller, other services. I've got a friend working at "Infomaniak" and their K-suite product has all the features of the G-suite.

There's also going the self-host route, especially for collaborative document editing. There's some software to help you with it, like yunohost that handle most of the hassle for you.

If you're willing to do some research, you can also look into individuals who make their own services available on https://www.chatons.org/ , they're a bit less reliable than big names, but might be worth a look ! Some of them might even be reachable on the fediverse :P

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@Bwee Also, remember to make a google export of your email/data. You can do so somewhere in the google account panel, stuff like "data export". It'll help keep your mail archives.
@Bwee hey here's the option I know/use daily :
email : you can try proton it works pretty well
Browser : I'm sure you've already heard this but firefox of for me the best alternative out here
Sheets and writing : I've heard of Zoho, they have both apps you can try but I Never used it personally

@Bwee first off, install the Duckduckgo browser on your phone. You don't have to use it as a browser but switch on the App Tracking Prevention feature in settings and it will blow your mind! apps are tracking you, even when they're not open 😨

And then use duckduckgo as your search engine.

Beyond that: Vivaldi browser, Microsoft for email and office docs.
And Nord VPN - on your router. The DDG app tracking protection uses the VPN slot on your phone but with Nord on the router you're sorted.

@patrickleavy @Bwee
HUGE +1 for DuckDuckGo Browser just for the App Tracking Protection. While I don't know how to confirm it actually does what it claims to, I trust them, see apps not work because of it every so often, and see it claiming to block numerous trackers 24/7 across so many apps.
@Bwee
HELL YES MY MOMENT TO SHINE.
Now, before I recommend things I wanna point out some of the options you were recommended and why I wouldn't use them, all the respect to those who recommended them, this is just my personal point of view/opinion:
Proton: A lot of people consider it a honeypot for glowies, you surely have nothing to worry about, but I'd rather use something trustworthy. It also won't let you use a third party client IF I remember correctly, don't quote me on this. IIRC it also doesn't have an F-DROID app (more on this later)
Outlook: It's microsoft, I don't think you should go from the arms of an evil corp to another, what's the point?
Tutanota: No third party client and no app on F-Droid (more on this later)

So, most of your problems can be solved with one website:
https://disroot.org/en/#services

Alternatively, if you're willing to shell 3 bucks a month, there's mailbox.org, it's what I use, it offers most of the things you need.

EMAIL: mailbox.org or disroot.org
BROWSER: The obvious choice is firefox, however if you want to have extra privacy there's librewolf, a fork of firefox with some built in options for privacy. Don't like how they look and wanna stick with something that looks like chrome? github.com/uazo/cromite
It's an ungoogled chrome fork, also built for privacy.
PASSWORD: keepass is the best choice for privacy, bitwarden is an ok compromise if you need your password stored online, regardless of which you use, backup your passwords because you never know, you should do this even if you store then in a browser.

WRITING+SPREADSHEETS in collaboration: You should look into nextcloud and find places that offer it's services, and guess what? Back up your files too.

Speaking of backing your files up, remember the 3 2 1 rule.
Always have at least three copies of important files: The original and two copies.
Have at least two different mediums of storage (like on the cloud and on a usb drive)
Have at least 1 copy off site: A copy on the cloud stored somewhere else from where you live. Touch wood, but if your computer catches on fire at least your work is still stored somewhere else.

PHONE: The pixel is a fantastic device, the obvious problem is google's OS, this can be solved easily by installing graphene os, if you do this remember to backup everything on your phone, because it will wipe it clean.
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Graphene is privacy focused, you can also have multiple profiles on it, each sandboxed from the other. If you can't live without an app that is only on playstore then you can make a profile with the play store and have the app there, the playstore will NOT have access to any other profile on your phone. I have a main profile without google and one with google because I need it for work.

Running out of space to write so I'm gonna reply to this post for more.
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@Bwee
Before I continue, I saw someone recommending duckduckgo. Personally I don't trust them since the day they danced tango with microsoft, even if they stepped back from it my trust is gone like a fart in the wind.

Now, I mentioned F-DROID before.
It's an alternative to the playstore, you won't find all the apps the playstore have but most things there are safe and those that seem sketchy have flags showing you why it might not be safe. I remember a bible app with internet access. Uhm... Why does it need internet access? They gonna add bible pages?

If you desperately need an app from the play store that is free you can check out aurora store, it allows you to download apps from it, only the free ones though. I would do so in a different graphene profile though.

About F-DROID:
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@Bwee
Also, check your chat app, sent a voice message.
@raccoon @Bwee if you still want to try other search engines, there is also Startpage (uses Google for you, without you having to use it) or Mojeek
@MagicLike @Bwee
Disroot offers a search engine too btw. Also my domain has one
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They tout privacy but the company behind startpage is kinda shady, I wouldn't trust it.
@raccoon @Bwee Hmm, I should switch to Searx. Qwant (my former main search) got pissy at me for using an adblocker, and Duckduckgo manages to suck at ethics (you know, the very thing you use private services for even at the expense of performance). Meanwhile, Qwant has good performance according to others and it's self-hostable (therefore, no central authority to hope isn't evil).

Also, I'd fully recommend Newpipe if Invidious doesn't work sometimes. In my experience, issues made by Youtube are resolved quicker in this app than on Invidious, and its downloading is also more reliable. I use a fork of it called Tubular myself, since it implements Sponsorblock (a crucial extension for me).
@radmin @Bwee
Yeah but you can't use newpipe on your desktop IIRC
@raccoon @Bwee
Bitwarden is also pretty good security wise, they do not store your decryption keys. The software is kinda heavy tho.

@raccoon @Bwee

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@Bwee zoho is okay at the moment, but i would not trust them to not make it significantly worse in the near(ish) future
@Bwee oh and for gmail history, google https://takeout.google.com offers an export for it
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@Bwee

as a practical matter, for which ever email alternative you go with, i recommend using Thunderbird to start the migration

After signing into your Gmail, you can configure the settings of that account in Thunderbird to download to a local Archive folder

it will take a long long time to make an offline archive (moving the email off Google's servers). i do this in batches of like 2000 emails, it will take a long time, but it's worth it

alternatively, sign into both email accounts at the same time in Thunderbird, and make the Archive folder of the Gmail the Archive folder of the new email address. then you can download/upload the Archive instead of having to do the move twice

or, you can just offline-archive all your email going forward! i like doing this

@Bwee As others here have suggested very valid alternatives for everything else, I'm going to focus on the phone:

If you want to keep your current Pixel phone, there is a way to get rid of all its Google services, and that is by installing a degoogled Android ROM.

The process itself is honestly not as hard as you may think, however, because, as you can imagine, Google doesn't want you to do that, there are some caveats to keep in mind

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@Bwee Generally speaking, the steps you'll have to take can be summed up like this:

- Unlock your phone's bootloader
- Install a custom recovery
- Use the custom recovery to install your Android ROM of choice

For the ROM, I suggest LineageOS, as it's very close to what you're already used to in terms of UX/UI and one of its main goals is to provide a fully functional degoogled daily driver experience out of the box

https://wiki.lineageos.org/devices/

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@Bwee The page I've linked to also has step-by-step installation tutorials, so you should have that covered! Still, there are other caveats to keep in mind:

- There's no store OOTB, so you might want to install an alternative one like F-Droid
- Some apps (mostly games and banking apps) will check for system modifications and refuse to run, you'll have to take extra steps to make those work
- Apps relying on Google services will likely not work

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@Bwee About those apps checking for system modifications, that's where Google made things painful, as it provides developers an API specifically for that. Getting around it can be complicated, so my suggestion is to first install your apps and seeing if they work as-is, and only trying workarounds if they don't

I tried to be as comprehensive as possible with this post chain, but I'm here if you want to try this and need help!  

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@Bwee

Folks have already voiced a lot of good options here, so I don't wanna repeat them all. I can share what I do as a technical user, and that may give you some ideas.

Email - I still use GMail, and switching is a pain, but Protonmail and Faatmail look like the best options. I've been considering Purelymail but they're a small outfit. (Let me know what you end up doing here :3)

Browser - Firefox. You can migrate a lot of bookmarks and data out of Chrome pretty easily.

Passwords - I use KeepassXC and sync it to my devices using my Nextcloud server. But you could easily do this with another cloud service like Dropbox.

Writing/Spreadsheets - I use Libreoffice suite at home, but not collaboratively. I do run my own Nextcloud server which I think has a number of collaboration features that might be of interest. You don't have to run your own server - There are service providers who will host Nextcloud for you. Might be worth a shot!

@Bwee I recommend Fastmail (https://www.fastmail.com/) for email, contacts, calendar, and files. The individual plan is $60 per year.

For documents and spreadsheets, practically speaking, I don't know of any better choice than Microsoft Office. They've got some kind of free version.

For the browser, try Firefox (https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/). It's free, of course.

For a phone, iPhone and Android are the only practical options for most users.

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@Bwee Firefox instead of Chrome is an easy place to start at least

@Bwee

Not to be a downer, but it isn't just the primary sources you need to disconnect from. The secondary sources need to be removed, too. Google is like that stock investing scene in South Park, except in reverse. Instead of "and it's gone," you delete the data "and it's back." Big Data is a parasite and devilishly hard to get away from. No one just drops off the grid anymore. You exist in some database somewhere.

I don't mean to bring it down, but you're valuable to more than just your friends. We love you, but the internet loves to sell you as often as they can. The only way to break free is to break away from technology. Anything electronic is going to narc on you. Cash for everything, and don't use computers for anything. It's the only way to deGoogle. Anything less does nothing. It's just performance art.

I'm sorry.