With today’s announcements at Google I/O, the web has entered a state of managed decline https://www.platformer.news/google-io-ai-search-sundar-pichai/
Google’s broken link to the web

With AI search results coming to the masses, the human-powered web recedes further into the background

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@caseynewton Casey, a fundamental issue here, that feels like it’s just skipped over consistently is whether those in-search AI results are *correct* and *true*.

I propose that they are not, and they never can be, because Google has not, and can not solve for “Garbage In, Garbage Out”, because the garbage was already ingested.

@grissallia @caseynewton
I see your point, and frankly agree. One thing to consider though is if the general public (the people who would love to get their answer right on the Google page) would even care. Unless the AI summary is very obviously incorrect, I suspect they'll believe it.

Heck, if I'm googling something, I generally don't know the answer and won't be able to determine if the AI summary is slightly incorrect or wrong in a not-so-obvious way.

@modularComputer @caseynewton wherein lies the danger. Some small slightly incorrect detail that turns out to have huge societal ramifications.
@grissallia @modularComputer @caseynewton Iʼm just a regular person and in the last four months Iʼve read hundreds of misinformation posts about me, largely authored by LLMs, that Iʼve spent countless hours combatting. Linkedin even says the posts that have made it on there are all fine. If this GIGO is the future, then it sucks.
@modularComputer @grissallia @caseynewton My question is why is everyone so addicted to finding answers? It is a very interesting question if you dont dismiss it by its superficial simplicity. The fragmentation of the internet is on purpose from design. The public was never the intended customer just a side effect and now a cash cow. Every little character crunched and accounted for $ only friends. The sad truth is that this Matrix is for profit only and if none of us see this then there is no future of freedom. And if I can be blunt, if we are hackers how is this even a reality? We are supposed to be the ones bringing the balance not giving into the demands of the capitalists. It sucks to be alone in the understandings of things that trickle down from the top. The problem is not the software nor the data, its the peoples nefarious dealings behind them to bind the public. Thats the problem. They are not interested in our well being. Period.

@grissallia @caseynewton

Everybody on the outside is screaming about it. Everybody who's salary depends on pushing out AI is deflecting.

Yes, people will 100% trust what the computer tells them. Right up until it causes enough trouble that society just gives up on ever using Google for anything. But it'll have to be that bad for people to come to their skeptical senses. Google is working on either killing itself, or civilization. That's both options.

@caseynewton As the distinction grows between commercial, for-profit companies (that will be forced to pursue greater automation), and places where the content is created by humans, I think the bulk audience attention will inevitably shift away from the for-profit spaces.
@JustinH @caseynewton I feel like it's a struggle to find anything that's not trying to sell you something or just sell your click for a while now. So total agreement. Any good human created tools or sites to be aware of?
@ansible42 @caseynewton Mastodon and the rest of the Fediverse, for starters.
@ansible42 @JustinH @caseynewton I have found tons of awesome websites on the Indie Webring. Super fun to explore all the cool pages people make https://indieweb.org/indiewebring
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@hine @JustinH @caseynewton webring, everything old is new again

@caseynewton "...a company that once proudly served as an entry point to a web that it nourished with traffic and advertising revenue has begun to abstract that all away into an input for its large language models."

Curious to see if a LLM, once built, can sustain itself without new human generated content. Why build your new 'fields of dreams' on the web, if users are never going to come anyway.

@caseynewton I know it’s beside the point, but

God damn, that is such a good headline.

@caseynewton how are they gonna make money off of this? I doubt any subscription prices will be enough to put them in the green.

@caseynewton

So, AI as a mass-stealing of copyrighted content will just extend from code and human created content to all other websites? I wonder how the large content providers will like it.

#ArtificialStupidity #GoogleFree

@caseynewton Sundar Pichai — the one who gave the destroyer of Yahoo Search the keys to the kingdom of Google:

https://www.wheresyoured.at/the-men-who-killed-google/

The Man Who Killed Google Search

Wanna listen to this story instead? Check out this week's Better Offline podcast, "The Man That Destroyed Google Search," available on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, and anywhere else you get your podcasts. UPDATE: Prabhakar has now been deposed as head of search, read here for more details. This is the story

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@caseynewton

But, it's not just about humans doing the Googling.

The information people want has to come from humans in the real world. If you ask Google for a cake recipe, someone somewhere has to have baked cakes and written it down, and it won't be anyone at Google.

This is Google stealing the info, and not giving anything back at all. AI/LLM search isn't going to be sustainable if actual knowledge is just co-opted by Google with zero credit to its creators. Why would anyone bother publishing cake recipes if it just gets slurped and stolen instantly?

Where is Google going to get data to steal if they've destroyed the web?

@FediThing @caseynewton

Google has lost the ability to look further than the quarterly share dividend, the fate of many tech companies. Now they're living off the efforts of other tech companies, stealing their ideas, the end-game.

@caseynewton considering the open web is spammed by AI generated content it's just consequent, that Google simply generates the content itself.
@caseynewton "managed" is doing a lot of heavy lifting in that sentence and is probably far too optimistic.
@caseynewton Semi off topic but the UI of your website is VERY clean.
@caseynewton the ratio of presenters who were execs vs engineers was sad to see. I always loved the engineers presenting the things they had poured all their time and effort into.