Lee DunaProton Mail Discloses User Data Leading to Arrest in Spain
MikufanNothing they can do about that.
GenderNeutralBroThey could avoid storing the recovery email in plaintext. A hash would be sufficient if they require the user to enter their recovery email for confirmation when they really need to recover the account.
For an ostensibly privacy-oriented service, Proton makes some weird architectural choices.
I’ve had to use the recovery, they need plaintext because they send you a recovery code or a support ticket (depends) nobody knows all their emails.
they need plaintext because they send you a recovery code or a support ticket
Sure, but we’re talking about architectural choices. It is Proton’s choice to use that system; it is not required for the goal of account recovery.
Well yes but you could just set another Proton account as recovery and not your email which you used to sign up to everything…
Can you? Didn’t someone else mention that Proton don’t allow another Proton account?
Well… I did… Idk
Well on the other hand you can just not be a terrorist (for that case)
You can also set a temporary mail if another Proton isn’t working. There are enough ways around such restrictions.
This person isn’t a terrorist.
Proton also don’t allow temp addresses.
The person is a terrorist by definition and Proton does allow temp addresses simply because they cant enforce that you don’t just set up a SMTP server on your pc and get a temporary mail from that…
They are privacy focused but you don’t have to use their services for committing treason and plan terrorist actions/actions against a state when you are to dumb to not use your go to email as recovery.
Did you read the story? Or are you just here to stir the pot and display your Proton Fanboi bona fides?
I question if you’ve read the story. Its a very clear case that is painted in the story.
Its a very clear case that is painted in the story.
Indeed it is. The police asked and Proton provided. Very clear indeed.
At last, something we can agree on.
Like… They are required to do by law because its a terrorism case.
Questionable and not the point.
The pointis that the person is an idiot and Proton had to comply with a request about a terrorist.
The point is that Proton, a company that sells privacy, violated that trust, apparently without much of a fight.
The Spanish police didn’t even allege that the person is a terrorist.
I think we’re done here. We’re not even speaking the same language.
Have a nice life.
Diamond_AaronXG@CaptObvious @Mikufan if the user practiced proper opsec it wouldn’t be an issue. Proton provides privacy not anonymity. Those are 2 different things. The second requires opsec in the users end.
if the user practiced proper opsec it wouldn’t be an issue
Agreed
Proton provides privacy not anonymity
Anonymity most certainly is a part of privacy.
@CaptObvious Proton never claims to provide anonymity though. They even state that it depends on proper opsec. It was the user fault for proving an email as a recovery that led to a more “willing” company that gave his data to police. If they had never done that, it would be a different situation.
Anonymity is an aspect of privacy. Arguably, it is even expected. Proton pat themselves on the back about privacy without being honest about what that includes. They even have a blog post victim-blaming when their “privacy” marketing is shown to be false.
Admittedly, I don’t like Proton. They were far too quick to try to jump in bed with the Chinese Communist Party when Google was kicked out. It left a bad taste. I’ve seen absolutely nothing in the years since to make me question that position.
@[email protected] can definitely be an aspect of privacy but privacy ≠ anonymity. Proton explicitly states this. They arnt going to disobey law, which they also state. I don’t see what the issue is here? They obeyed the law and the user made a mistake on there end. Proton didn’t do anything wrong or tricky
For the second time conversing with a Proton apologist, we will simply have to agree to disagree.
@CaptObvious fair enough. What email provider do you use? Just curious :)
Fair question. For everyday, run-of-the-mill, don’t-care-who-sees-it, a postcard is fine; I have a Gmail account for those. For anything more sensitive, I have a couple of Tuta accounts. If it’s truly confidential, I prefer to just say it in person.
@CaptObvious that’s a valid setup. I was thinking about tuta but no pgp :)
Yeah, that’s one of the complaints I have about them. Of course, if I need PGP, I prefer to encrypt an attachment myself offline and just send that, so it’s not a dealbreaker in my case.
Out of curiosity, and if you don’t mind my asking, which provider do you use?
@CaptObvious I currently use proton as my main provider. I still have a gmail and iCloud as well as some accounts haven’t been transferred over yet, but those pretty much just get used for 2fa codes until I switch them