DaseinPickleAre right wingers creating FUD around Signal?
VanthSo this is the sort of claim where sources would be really nice. I don’t like Musk, but I’m not about to blindly believe everything said about him.
Remember how CrossFit got popular and then everyone hated it and the only thing more annoying than a vocal crossfitter was a vocal opponent of CrossFit who knew nothing and had merely jumped on the hype train?
Musk is CrossFit, right now. A powerful, dangerous CrossFit. Don’t undercut criticism of him by making lazy, unsubstantiated claims.
It was the first result when i searched for “musk signal”
msn. so retro.
gompIt’s pretty easy to find articles confirming the Musk/Signal thing duckduckgo.com/?t=ffab&q=musk+signal&iar=news&ia=…
The DoctorVoline (@[email protected])
@[email protected] @[email protected] @[email protected] Did someone say “Telegram”? [Crashes into the thread like the Kool-Aid man] Please do not use #Telegram Messenger for any message that you would not want to see on the side of a building. Don't take my word for it, listen to these folks. Here's Dan Goodin (@[email protected]) in Ars Technica summarizing an exploit discovered by Ahmed Hassan: "Using readily available software and a rooted Android device, he’s able to spoof the location his device reports to Telegram servers. By using just three different locations and measuring the corresponding distance reported by People Nearby, he is able to pinpoint a user’s precise location." https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2021/01/telegram-feature-exposes-your-precise-address-to-hackers/ Independent security researcher The Grugq (@[email protected]) on Telegram's many problems: "In summary, Telegram is error prone, has wonky homebrew encryption, leaks voluminous metadata, steals the address book, and is now known as a terrorist hangout. I couldn’t possibly think of a worse combination for a safe messenger." https://grugq.tumblr.com/post/133453305233/operational-telegram Former maintainer of the Golang cryptographic libraries Filippo Valsorda (@[email protected]) on a bug in Telegram's cryptographic protocol: "To this day, itʼs the most backdoor-looking bug Iʼve ever seen." https://buttondown.email/cryptography-dispatches/archive/cryptography-dispatches-the-most-backdoor-looking/ Prof of cryptography Matthew Green (@[email protected]) on Telegram's custom encryption: "Like seriously. Wtf is even going on here." https://twitter.com/matthew_d_green/status/582249709286326272 And finally, Bruce Schneier: "Don't Use Telegram." https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2016/06/comparing_messa.html If you want to communicate confidentially, use @[email protected] https://theintercept.com/2016/06/22/battle-of-the-secure-messaging-apps-how-signal-beats-whatsapp/
Simon MüllerMusk himself hasn’t actually provided any sources either, all his statements made on Twitter recently are basically pulled from thin air, almost like vague references
I’m sure it has nothing to do with musk planning his own encrypted Twitter DM feature.
That already exists, but it’s weak in terms of encryption.
The fairest thing you can say about CrossFit is that it’s a nicely unique string to filter out. :)
Telegram isnt really e2ee so he wants to champion the less secure option. Gee, I wonder why???
Its Russian founder recently praised Musk in an interview for Tucker Carlson.
Is narcissistic disorder a prereq to be a billionaire or is it just a common symptom of having too much wealth for some.
Dr. JenkemYeah sort of. I think those types of disorders get rewarded in many cases. It’s exceptionally profitable to exploit labor, mislead the public, and plunder the planet. When you have a conscience and empathy, that’s a lot harder to do, especially if you already enjoy a certain level of financial security.
Talks about other people creating FUD, then like to a post asserting telegram is compromised without citing any sources about anything discussed in the post. 🙄 FUD indeed.
Telegram is Service as a Software Substitute.
I’m not saying it’s broken, but it has some design choices and functions that makes even Whatsapp a better choice for privacy minded people. Like rolling their own crypto and not having e2ee as default.
Anti-libre software, WhatsApp, bans is from providing it has E2EE, bans us from proving any of its claims and bans us from removing malicious source code.
They do this periodically. We saw it during Occupy, the Arab Spring, BLM, now Palestine (again). As a general rule, when folks go into the streets, the tighty righties start up the FUD.
There is a reason why spooks learn tradecraft - threat modeling, procedures, awareness, and techniques - more than they learn technology. It would behoove folks to to learn a little about that before hitting up the appstore.
Possibly linuxI don’t think it has anything to do with the “right wingers.” I think many people and governments seek to discredit anything they can not control. Its basic misinformation tactics.
As far as Elon goes, he says crazy things and shouldn’t be believed.
So it’s okay if some else does it?
☂️-telegram is the real FUD here. its closed, not encrypted by default and all messages go through a centralized server.
not encrypted by default
Not e2e encrypted ≠ not encrypted.
its closed
Client is open source and you can use your own client with custom functionality if you like. I Imagine nothing stops anyone from implementing their own e2e implementations on top of it.
i know but neither encryption, nor foss clients matter much if it has to go through a closed server. thats kind of the point of e2ee.
its like saying facebook is private because your browser is foss and you use https. at least telegram has support for e2ee but its the kind of thing that should definetly be enabled by default.
Anything goes through closed servers. Even more, serverless chat protocols tend to go through multiple users PCs (they are not open to you).
point of encrypting stuff. at least telegram supports it
I’m pretty sure telegram doesn’t support plaintext transfers.
its like saying facebook is private
I didn’t call telegram private.
BraydSSL on websites also is encryption. Still you can post your precious pictures “encrypted” via SSL for the whole world to see. I think everyone knew what was meant with encryption in this context.
I think everyone knew what was meant with encryption in this context.
I think not.
PantherinaYes, “because one of their council is leftist pro censorship”
InternetCitizen2When do they not spread FUD?
Idk how secure telegram is but cmon signal is shady AF . They won’t let fdroid have it cause they want to sign their own keys or some shit but there is a speculation its because they can roll out custom apk to targets which governments want which is just not possible if it is hosted by someone like fdroid . Even telegram allows that and they even allow third party apps which signal won’t .
asudoxI do see it weird but publishing on F-Droid means almost nothing. If you are scared of their pre-built apks, compile from source instead.
If Telegram and Signal are bad, use SimpleX.
It means a ton to me and a lot others and no one has to compile from source every time .
It think there are a lot of factors at play. Musk wanta Twitter to be an everything app and has mentioned plans to add e2e encryption to the dms. Telegram already had an iffy relationship to people who look for encrypted platforms so he probably wants to set up that idea to get people onto Twitter instead.
A big chunk of far right Telegram has moved off the platform recently after quite a few of the groups that got their start from anti-lockdown demos had members get arrested for terror charges. They seem to blame the fact that Telegram is backdoored but they constantly fed-post in open unencrypted channels anyone can read anyway. The police probably do monitor those channels anyway but if I were to guess how they got caught, my bet is honestly that they just put in reports to the cops about each other because being fascists usually goes hand in hand with being horrible people.