lautanUninsured patient faces major hospital bills in Ontario after having legs amputated
originaluciferway to go canada. slowly turning to the 'fuck humans' mentality of the united states. seems youre infected with the same conservative virus.
I hear the UK is also infected.
Undocumented visitor, so Iām assuming no visa. Was working illegally and not paying taxes.
Still received treatment instead of being deported. I feel thatās fair that he has to pay for the treatment.
personally, i am happy to have my taxes pay for undocumented, non-tax-paying humans who need healthcare... mostly because i care about humans regardless of their tax paying status and that i dont think any humans should have to pay directly for healthcare.
'fair'? whatever.
this guys experience is actually a step backward not forward. stop thinking backwards.
Thanks for the downvotes. Good to see that Lemmy doesnāt care about having reasonable conversations.
Iāll show myself out.
if you let voting affect your discourse then youre correct; youre far to sensitive to take part.
IninewCrowSame here and I felt the same way when I saw the story in the news.
Iād rather see tens of thousands of dollars spent on taking care of the medical needs of a human being than in paying tens of thousands of dollars on another bureaucrat or politician flying around the country attending conferences or expensive meetings.
We have more than enough money and resources to pay for the medical needs of everyone in the country regardless of their status or situation ā¦ itās the creeping privatization of our medical system and institutions that makes it so unaffordable and needlessly complicated and difficult to maintain.
Just south of us are 26million uninsured people who desperately need healthcare and 100million in medical debt. We canāt afford to support them, nor do i really want to more directly support america. So how do we, from a legal point of view, differentiate between the small sustainable group of people above vs the potential huge group of people, niether would have paperwork, both need help.
This isnāt just concern trolling, if you have a genuine answer to that question Iām all ears, but I have 0 doubt in my mind that if thereās a backdoor way for Americans to get canadian healthcare they will take that option en mass.
I think the best way to solve the program of the undocumented workers above is to make the path to legal immigration easier to transfer into and to grant medical coverage earlier in the immigration process.
On a case by case basis for the moment
if the person needing help needs a non urgent medical care ā¦ then you can spend the time and energy defending the merits of legality and funding
if the person is losing, has lost their limbs for whatever reason and treatment will further affect their long term well being ā¦ then treat them due to compassion and donāt send them into a bureaucratic hell hole
While I understand the sentiment, it is unrealistic and naive. Doctors and nurses get paid. Someone has to pay them, and while you may be personally happy to see the system cover the costs for one illegal undocumented immigrant, the supply of money and health care resources is not endless. Indeed, we already have a massive shortage of doctors in large parts of Canada. Obviously, our model of health care doesnāt work if we allow non-taxpaying, non-citizens to have free treatment. Imagine, if you will, the millions of Americans that would flood our country if they could get free health care here.
discussing the resource management is a strawman. we can already afford to provide healthcare for the planet (including paying all those involved), assuming we prioritize it.
would we need to spend more? yep. we would need to increase medical schooling, medical spending. so?
this is a species-level problem. think bigger than your borders.
how much healthcare would canada be able to provide if they didnt spend a stupid amount on the exact opposite... human killing devices. the same goes for every 1st world country.
Iām not sure I understand you. Who is this āweā that can already afford to provide healthcare for the planet?
If you mean all the taxpayers in the world can afford to pay for all the health care of all the people in the world to a high standard, that just isnāt true. Canada is a highly developed country with lots of resources to devote to modern health care, but much of the world is not like that. The need for health care FAR outstrips the supply. Even in Canada.
Second, we in Canada donāt have any control over the health care policies of the rest of the world. If you are just musing about how the whole world should come together and prioritize medicine instead of bombs, well, sure, I guess most everyone would agree with that. But thatās like wishing for world peace. Itās not a realistic health care policy for Canada. As I said, and which you pointedly did not respond to, we canāt freely open our health care system to the victims of Americaās dysfunctional health care system, not to mention the rest of the world. Sure, it would be great if Canada could heal the world, but we canāt. It isnāt about āfairnessā, it is about our ability to maintain a functioning system in a world we donāt control.
Thirdly, the argument that ending military spending would significantly improve health care is a nice idea, but it is a red herring. Canada, and most Western nations, spend less than 2% of GDP on military. Ending military spending would help a little bit, but it wouldnāt āsolveā the problem of funding health care.
āWas working illegallyā as if they somehow forced an employer to pay them under the table instead of hiring a citizen. As if their income would even qualify for any significant tax revenue.
It takes two to tango, employers pay payroll and insurance tax as well.
But, I also agree. People who do not pay their fair share of taxes (even if that fair share is $0) should not benefit from the services those taxes enable.
Now you must agree billionaires and corporations should also stop receiving government subsidies because they are not paying their fair share, right?
Anything else and you would just be a hypocrite lying about why lesser classes should be treated worse; that would be terrible!
Now you must agree billionaires and corporations should also stop receiving government subsidies because they are not paying their fair share, right?
Nope. If theyāre not paying their fair share, they get handcuffs.
Same thing goes for conservative regions that historically suck up funding while contributing none, right?
Nope. Humans get what they need. If the cons running a region say no, then they also get billboards.
Anything else and you would just be a hypocrite lying about why lesser classes should be treated worse; that would be terrible!
Every Canadian or landed new-comer needs equal healthcare access. Everyone pays as per their income (and we spend almost as much as we should spend putting the cheaters in cuffs) to fund the consolidated service that leverages its size for discounts (why donāt the cons love that?)
Anything else is un-Canadian.
moroniAnother option is to send the bill to the employer. The guy has already paid enough with losing two legs, and the employer should be responsible since they took a risk by hiring someone without legal status.
way to go canada. slowly turning to the āfuck humansā mentality of the united states.
The difference is that the US fucks its citizens where here it was someone not legally here.
Not the best outcome - the country should bankroll the healthcare and then charge it back to the guyās home system - but painting this as if itās America is - and I know this firsthand - very different.
seems youre infected with the same conservative virus.
Oh we have it. Weāre trying to get rid of it as itās all just displaced Texans.
I hear the UK is also infected.
Theirs manifests as a āweāll split the system and let the best doctors run pricy private clinics for rich peopleā. Thatāll be us in Alberta now, and then everywhere if the cruel blues win the election.
Just here to say as an unproud American that the vigor and strength and TRUTH with which you are speaking is exactly what is missing here. If it doesn't affect them, they are willing to look past it, and the country is corroded and corrupted because of it. People like you give Earth the chance to be a great place
Weāre an exporter of it, former PM Stephen Harper is currently the chair of the IDU which promotes it globally.
girlfreddyThat fucking asshole is never gonna go away, is he?
SturgistDoesnāt seem like itā¦sigh
So weāre expexted to provide fully for any Tom, Dick or Harry that shows up?
On March 31, 2023, the Ontario government terminated the Physician and Hospital Services for Uninsured Persons (PHSUP) program, which provided healthcare access to undocumented individuals during the COVID-19 pandemic, leaving Rivero without coverage.
Drug Fraud hard at work to save those tax dollars that he needs to bribe his rich-assed āfriendsā with.
Good. Iād rather not open our already overwhelmed healthcare system to people who arenāt paying into it.