"Finally, a day after downloading the app, I was able to shut off the data sharing in my car (confusingly, I had to do so in the car and not on the app, but only once I downloaded the app). It only took me a month."

#CarPrivacy #privacy

https://sherwood.news/tech/how-to-opt-out-of-the-privacy-nightmare-that-comes-factory-installed-in-new/

How to opt out of the privacy nightmare that comes with new Hondas

I was the first person to ask my Honda dealer how to turn off data sharing. It didn't go well.

Sherwood News
@jgamble Any ideas for Toyota? The Prius Prime looks interesting, but is equally Big Brother. Is it better to just drive an old car?

@mike805

I am by no means an expert. My general opinion is that they all pushed to the limits of what's acceptable, and having found there were no consequences, kept pushing beyond that.

It's also possible that a lot of this is third party software, and no one cared to consider the end result.

Anyway, I'm betting that this is going to follow the same path as Right To Repair, ar least in the U.S., with all the same ups and downs.

2020s cars are going to be so bad.

@jgamble I'd be willing to just not install the app, if that provided privacy. I have no problems unlocking and starting the car with a key fob, as I do now.

The Prius Prime has an integrated cellular modem which is necessary to use the navigation (that also has a subscription fee) and which cannot be easily disabled. You can supposedly opt out by contacting Toyota, but do I trust that?

Not sure about late model Hondas. I at least want a car with no cellular modem.

@mike805

Probably should read the article. The only way to shut off the flow of data was to install an app in the first place, which normally no one would do. Perhaps it was a reverse psychology tactic? It could also just have been terrible software design, which also would fit in this scenario.