@devopscats @josh on the plus side teams has a user name not a silly long number no one can remember
@fuchsiii @devopscats @josh my icq number was 116329748
@noxypaws @devopscats @josh Teams is a lot more polite and helpful~

@fuchsiii @noxypaws @devopscats @josh Just because #MicrosoftTeams gradually forces changes and doesn't shove #UI & #UX #Enshittification from one day to the other down Users' throats like #Slack or #Discord doesn't make it less shitty...

All #centralized, #SingleVendor & #SingleProvder, #SaaS-only - solutions are bad.

@noxypaws @fuchsiii @devopscats @josh

OFC!

If you can't 100% self-host it, it's centralized!

If you can't 100% self-build it, it's not open source!

If you can't exercise 100% self-custody of all keys, it's not secure!

Regardless if #Telegram, @signalapp, #Session or whatever...

But don't take my word for it when long-deceased cryptographers and everyone nowadays doing Cryptography can agree upon these things...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kerckhoffs%27s_principle

Kerckhoffs's principle - Wikipedia

@OS1337 @fuchsiii @devopscats @josh @signalapp to be fair nothing is 100% secure. I will always choose signal over telegram for sensitive things, while also understanding that signal has a lot to improve on.

mostly agreed, just... infosec ain't that black and white

@noxypaws I sincerely disagree as @signalapp collects and stores way too much data than necessary, and I think ranking it above telegram is not justifyable beyond marketing promises.
@OS1337 @noxypaws @signalapp is e2e group chatting not a important feature in the logic of "ranking"? I mean its not marketing for me.

@legrex @OS1337 @noxypaws @signalapp there are many other options for that that don't require one to self-#d0x with a phone number.

Like #IRC & #XMPP-Conferencing.

Espechally the latter one just works and with @monocles / #MonoclesChat it's so easy even my mother can do it!