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Jon Favreau: “Yeah. I mean Mark Esper, Trump's defense Secretary who, you know, said a couple weeks ago that Trump was like, Hey, can't we have the military shoot the protestors, the George Floyd protestors? So that's, that's him over the weekend. He said, there's no way I'll vote for Trump. But every day Trump does something crazy. The door to voting for Biden opens a little more and like that's the exact kind of person that we need.”

pod save man what the fuck is wrong with you. This is who you think biden needs in his voting base?

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He and Lovett were talking shit about purity politics on the left shortly before because i guess people were mad that Biden’s campaign spoke to chris christie.

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“If you have no idea that Joe Biden was able to pass a massive infrastructure bill, if you have no idea that Joe Biden passed the biggest climate investments in history, if you have no idea about all these way in which government has been able to succeed, maybe not in a way that is tangible yet….”

i literally screamed

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MSNBC’s Chris Hayes is on the latest episode. He said, regarding building housing: “Joe Biden actually been very like, forward leading on this, particularly in the last month”

you can’t just remember that you’re the president in the last year of the term and really get to work on housing. You can do marijuana reform, sure. that one is a stroke of the pen. not so much on housing

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Cherish hayes: “They (Judith Butler) think that it (transgender acceptance) doesn’t need to be a threat, and i think it sort of inescapably is. And they’re not… misunderstanding the degree to which it does threaten genrder hierarchies.”

Chris, if you’re gonna use words like misunderstanding about Judith Butler’s theories on gender you gotta come with some receipts. You do not have the credentials to just say stuff.

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I think Lovett wasn’t trying to push back and take up butler’s point but accidentally immediately did. Right before he joked that Chris Hayes was the first straight guy he’s talked to in weeks

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Lovett: “So Trump also hosted a big fundraiser in Palm Beach over the weekend with some of the worst billionaires on the planet. People who profited off of the subprime mortgage crisis, compared higher taxes to the Holocaust and opposed the Civil Rights Act, just to name a few.”

Vietor: “I mean, Jon, just be careful, because for two of those, they could be our billionaires too.”

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pod save men talking about how infrastructure isn’t an important issue to voter but i do suspect that Biden needs to win pennsylvania and maybe it’s a bit of a going concern

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lomi ad read, love a scam compost masticator that costs $600

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Guest, Dem Strategist Terrance Woodbury: “I want to talk a little bit more about the double haters.
This new term of voters that doesn't like Biden or Trump. Well, in fact, I think that these double haters are a little bit broader than that. They are just cynics that don't like Democrats, Republicans, they don't like politicians, they don't like vaccines.
These are all the same folks. The double hater is the same as the vaccine hesitant. They don't like 5G, they don't trust any of this shit.
Well, for that voter, Cornel, who doesn't know Cornel West yet, he is going to speak a lot of their language. He's going to criticize Joe Biden's position in Palestine. He's going to criticize the two-party system.”

fuckin hell

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Woodbury: “this is from a focus group of a voter who said to me, my hood didn't get any better under Obama. It didn't get any worse under Trump.
So what does Biden have to do with me? That's the cynicism that Republicans and Trump are trying to lean into. And that's what we have to combat with the progress that has actually improved their lives.”

Vietor: “And it's understandable cynicism, right? Because presidents have a lot of power, but they don't have unlimited power. Sometimes there's broader economic forces that impact your ability to improve the lives of the people you're working for.”

Wait, i thought biden had the best record on the economy ever?? What’s up with that?

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if you prefer to like alex garland, do *not* listen to his interview on pod save

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Jon Favreau: “So far in 2024, 90 percent, 90 percent of the Biden campaign's television ads have focused on abortion.
And the most aired ad is one in which Trump takes credit for killing Roe and Biden promises to pass a federal guarantee to protect the right to choose.”

When did Biden make that promise again? We’re putting the whole campaign on our belief that americans think it’s good when you fail to deliver on one of your more prominent campaign promises.

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JF: “How much political risks do you think this TikTok ban creates for Biden?”
Alyssa Mastramonaco, guest: “I don't think it's that much risk because it's weirdly the issue that's like United Democrats and Republicans. So I don't think it's great for Biden, but I do think that that gives him some cover.”

Hmm, dems and republicans sure do agree on Tiktok, what’s that other thing that’s going on that they agree on that americans in general absolutely despise? I’m sure it’s nothing important

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mastramonaco worked on the Kerry campaign lol. I’m so glad i can get political horse race insights like this from a Kerry staffer

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Jon Lovett: “Anonymous sources said that Attorney General Merrick Garland will formally recommend moving marijuana from the Schedule I drug to a Schedule III drug that puts it alongside testosterone and Tylenol.”

Jesse what the fuck are you talking about?

(he means tylenol + codeine obv)

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“I was walking into Jazz Fest last week and there was some young progressives, kind of multi-hair colored look at me and maybe think maybe I could be somebody that could win over on the issue of gay rights. I don't know. I guess I wasn't dressed gay enough that day.
And so we signed this petition to help support the gay agenda. And I was like, whoa, my old instincts came back out. And I was like, wait a minute, there's no gay agenda.”

Tim Miller, gay republican guest.

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this is the most unhinged episode of pod save i’ve heard in a while. Completely letting a Jeb staffer handle the framing while talking about campus protests and palestine while nodding along.

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Lovett let this guy use the term pro-Jewish counterprotestors, not pro-Zionist or pro-Israel. What the hell man, that’s actually a really gross thing to not push back against on your podcast.

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“But if there are rules and laws against that kind of protest, and if you've been warned about breaking those laws, then part of civil disobedience is accepting the penalty for that. I mean, that's what Dr. King said, right? He said that you should accept the penalty and you should do so civilly, not uncivilly, right?
That was sort of the foundation of his belief in the civil rights movement. And of course, the civil rights activists were not treated civilly, but certainly they acted civilly. Look, I don't think that means that cops should fucking fire rubber bullets at you or tase you or beat the shit out of you, but that's a whole separate problem.”

I’m not sure that really is a separate problem, Dan. (also i don’t think that’s really an accurate framing on King and the civil rights movement)

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“And I know they're trying to work on a deal right now, but he[Biden] has not used all the leverage that he has to try to end this war. So I think when that happens, and hopefully it does happen soon, that's when we'll start to see the protest actually go away.”

Dan Pfeiffer thinks Genocide Joe is gonna start really putting the screws to Benny from Cheltenham any day now. What an absolute fucking goober

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“And our friends at FiveThirtyEight now finally have the averages, the polling averages for states, just so everyone knows. They have North Carolina at 6.6, so Trump's up by 6.6.
Georgia, he's up by 6. Nevada, he's up by 5. And then Arizona's 3, Wisconsin's 3, Pennsylvania's 2.
And Michigan is actually the closest now. And yet Trump's only up by a point and a half there. So tight race, tight race.”

hmm noticing a trend here that would probably be pretty alarming for a certain sitting president, but i’m not the polls geneous

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the Noem soundbite is actually unbelievable

Interviewer: “At the end of the book, you say the very first thing you would do if you got to the White House that was different from Joe Biden, is you'd make sure Joe Biden's dog was nowhere on the grounds, commanders say hello to cricket. Are you doing this to try to look tough? Do you still think that you have a shot at being a VP?”
Kristi Noem: “Well, number one, Joe Biden's dog has attacked 24 secret service people. So how many people is enough people to be attacked and dangerously hurt before you make a decision on a dog and what to do with it? That's the question that the president should be held accountable to.”
I:“You're saying he should be shot?”
KN:“That's what the president should be accountable to, which is, what is the number?”

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Tommy Vietor: “They let Trump ignore its policies on COVID testing and masking, which nearly infected President Biden.
And if people watch that video now, it will just throw you off because Trump looks unwell.”
Jen Psaki: “He looks unwell and also Melania just strolls in with the kids. They're all unmasked. Melania tested positive five days later.”
TV:” So like they could have killed the current president in the United States before he was elected.”

someone get trump on that h5n1 raw milk before the next debate

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Bad episode of pod save today. Dan Pfeiffer and Tommy Vietor demonstrated not understanding the gun show loophole (thinking it applied to online gun sales, which do require an in-person at a FFL and background check) and mixing up Yoav Gallant and Benny Gantz

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“I think the ICC needs to call balls and strikes. And if they see someone they think has committed war crimes, they should prosecute that person. But I think what you're hearing from the administration is concerned that at a time when they're seeing fractures within the governing coalition in Israel and hope that would create political pressure on Netanyahu, that this ICC process might actually bring the coalition back together and put some wind in Netanyahu's back politically.”

This is a conclusion you could only come to by ignoring what the administration has actually said. They have, for weeks now, said that the ICC has no jurisdiction in clear deference to the Israeli regime

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“What is her [Martha Alito] 4chan username?”

I would make fun of them for not knowing how 4chan works but knowing how 4chan works is a clear moral failing so you get a pass there

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“So really, this may amount to essentially a messaging effort by the Biden administration to show voters that he is concerned about immigration, that he's willing to shift his own policy views to address those concerns that he's hearing from voters.”

oh, this is a thing he can do? ah, only when it’s a run to the right, i see

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pod save boys talking about the possibility that trump would seek a third term to protect himself from prosecution. Buddy most of the electorate is pretty sure one or both of the candidates for president won’t be alive 4 years from now

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“And I would account this Russ Vogt guy as among them, who not only have very scary and extreme views, but are willing to do things that are extra-constitutional to fully erode our democracy and push us into a situation where we're more like a country like Hungary, where our courts are packed with right-wing judges, districts are gerrymandered to entrench Republican control, the DOJ is going after the press, they're going after opposition leaders. And we're talking about fundamental changes to the character of America that will be very, very difficult to walk back.”

hey pod save guys, i got some real bad news about the current “character of america” as you’ve framed it in most of this country

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pod save is having a blast quizzing lovett on all the news he missed during the past month because he was on the survivor island. They should put pod save hosts on islands without access to the news more often, for a variety of reasons

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“And by the way, democracy or else, look at this book. Look at this beautiful hardcover book.

Here's the deal. I saw that on Amazon. You know who's ahead of us on the list?

I'm like the political humor list, Bill Maher. Come on.

Come on.

We don't want Bill Maher ahead of us. That's ridiculous.”

Your buddy Obama would have to personally waterboard me to get me to admit to this L

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“I had a friend tell me who's like very unhappy with Joe Biden and been at protests over Gaza to say like, you know what, you're protesting Joe Biden right now. Voting for Joe Biden gives you the opportunity to keep protesting.”

the protests aren’t because people like to go out and protest genocide, they are against that genocide. If Joe Biden were the first president since Nixon to condemn student protests, would that be fucked up or what? We got NYPD rounding up students, protestors against cop city are facing rico charges for organizing protests. i don’t think the state of protest in america is quite as strong under the Biden administration as they are making it out to be

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i’m so glad they scheduled a midnight pod sesh, this episode is so good. lovett sounds like he’s on the verge of tears

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the pod jons are all in on biden bowing out. he’s lost the pod save constituency, truly grim position for the Biden campaign

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how’s the pod going? well:

JF: “You're yelling at like four Twitter users.”

JL: “Well, no, I'm not because-“

TV: “He's having a nice conversation.”

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lovett gets ro khanna on, and opens by chiding his campaign for texting him incessantly from various numbers despite being reported as junk repeatedly, and khanna just laughs. I personally think this is a real problem for the democratic party. sending out texts that are misleading, or continuing after people have asked you to stop is not an acceptable way to run a campaign and they just don’t give a shit.

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“Dean Phillips, you son of a bitch! Fuck you for being right too early!”

I’m pretty sure the pod save boys are joking about saying this to him, but it’s worth remembering that Dean Phillips had horrible policy positions. The only thing he was right about was that biden didn’t have the juice

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@timmy He's literally a shade away from being the white moderate that MLK talked about in Letter from a Birmingham Jail. What a buffoon.