checkmate, big geology!!

https://mander.xyz/post/12530265

checkmate, big geology!! - Mander

I’m sure Super Glue would work too.
I like how the diagram contains an illustration of one big flaw in the plan
Just put up some “no eruption” signs.

That’d be about as ridiculous as the proposal that is being dismissed into oblivion in this thread but at least economically and technically feasible.

Three or four signs should suffice.

The sign won't do much good without force of law. We need legislation outlawing these eruptions.
That goes without saying. We need to regulate volcanic burp strength, ejaculation mass and toxic fumes. Pyroclastic flows as well.
We still talking volcanos or have we moved on to regulating Taco Bell and porn?
I see no reason to differentiate
But if we regulate burp strength, ejaculation mass, and toxic fumes, my husband won’t have any hobbies left!
That’s harsh. He might get a permit if he promises to not kill entire villages at a time.
God: What the fuck are they doing down there bro
Volcano erupting? Just tell it to stop. It legally can’t erupt without your permission.

Oh I get it! If you stack rock on the hot rock, you can stop the hot rock from moving the rock with more rock!

… Unironically, this DOES work … sorta’. Though it’d be dumb to do by man, because a ‘rock plug’ is exactly what forms at the top of many volcanos after the magma cools. It’s why many volcanos have flank eruptions where magma pushes through some side crack, or build and build until the rock plug pops catastrophically.

Of course some volcanos don’t have the right mix to form rock plugs, and any non-dormant volcano can pop them, but the point is it does have an effect that can delay and redirect eruptions.

If humanity doesn’t kill itself off soon (bad news on that front), I wouldn’t be surprised if one day we’re building megastructures around volcanos specifically to manage them instead of being subject to them.

Haha, that’s pretty cool. Is there anything written about this?

Absolutely TONS of info, though I’m not a geologist, nor have I studied much, so I sadly do not know of any solid references I could simply point at. I’ve just picked up a few details over the years watching random geology videos on YouTube.

GeologyHub makes frequent short videos on current activity, and he always comments on the mechanisms at play, and even makes and explains his educated guesses on what will happen. A plug forming comes up quite often when eruptions slow, even in eruptions that are destined to continue erupting.

Well I think it’s more the case that the lava finds the weakest spot to push through. That can change over millennia.

The chances that you will create a concrete block that’s stronger than the next weak spot is pretty slim.

Yes, exactly on the idea. “The weakest spot” is distinctly NOT the hunk of solid rock cooled at the top, more often than you clearly think.

It doesn’t have to have a huge effect to never the less completely change the nature of an eruption. Just look at Mt St Helens. The top didn’t even have to pop. The magma just lubricated the side of the mountain enough until the whole damn side slid away, allowing the eruption to occur.

They don’t often redirect every eruption, becuse many have NO other weak paths, so the magma pushes, and it either pops the rock plug or melts it. Not that many eruptions start fast enough to catastrophically pop the plug, and not all eruptions are remotely equal.

My point was NOT that the plugs make a HUGE difference, but that they make A difference.

If we were really ambitious could we harness geothermal energy to such an extent as to prevent major eruptions if we could predict them?

I think there are much easier ways to get massive amounts of power than try to interface with such an incredibly chaotic and unpredictable system.

An even bigger problem though is that most of the time geologists really have to aggressively make the case to anybody that their work is valuable when it isn’t directly contributing to finding oil or evaluating groundwater reserves.

Studying volcanoes, even in places with lots of volcanoes, is considered kind of a dubious practice by most people and taxpayers. Yeah sure, Mount Saint Helens goes off and all of a sudden people will take volcanoes very seriously for a bit, but generally people don’t give a shit about geology even if they haven’t been infected with “the earth is only 10,000 years old!” brainworms.

I mean, geologists will give a warning like “well, we could all die with no warning anytime from now through the next 50,000 years so we are very very due for a catastrophic eruption and we need to prepare!”.

Like yo, we can’t even agree to fucking give universal healthcare to people in my country…. sigh.

Maybe not geothermal per se, but something would be possible, with unlimited budget and resources.

Though the problem is just how MUCH energy volcanos have. Heat content is A LOT of energy. The vast (on a human scale) magma chambers contain an insane amount of energy. Rock has a heat capacity less than water by weight, but rocks weigh a lot more than water and can get a lot hotter.

So, it’d have to take away a TON of heat, likely more than humans use in a year for a single small eruption, but I’m too lazy to do the math right now…

Also, many eruptions are fueled by pressure from dissolved gasses in the magma. That pressure will stay present until the magma cools enough to resist it itself, which could require dropping an entire underground lake of lava by hundreds of degrees.

Then there are undoubtedly some eruptions that are driven by tectonics, meteor impacts, and other physical pressures that might not be manageable via heat control at all.

Rad. That’s probably a level of energy harvesting between fusion and Dyson sphere.

I wouldn’t be surprised if one day we’re building megastructures around volcanos specifically to manage them instead of being subject to them.

Brings new meaning to “geothermal energy”

Now we have lava and a cement projectile!
It’s a shame we can’t grow a large enough potato.
Not with that attitude
Hold on a sec… what if just aim the volcano at our enemies?
Putting a gun barrel on the top of our volcanoes and just randomly waving it around at other countries lol i love it
I feel like with the direction of fire that’s more of a penis than a gun. I’m on board let’s do it!
Works okay in Dwarf Fortress.
If pressure builds up we won’t riaj anything because the cemenbt would just be propoulksed in the outter space and not hurt anyone.
's brilliant plan for reaching Mars
Damn straight! Gotta teach those space bugs a lesson about messing with Buenos Aries.

Big volcanoes look like this

(Mount Rainier, Washington)

The BIGGEST volcanoes look like this

Or this

Notice how they don’t have that nice big pretty volcano cone shape? It just looks like some drunk geologists scribbled on a map and drew circles around a low lying area with a lake or two in it and called it a “volcano” or a “volcanic zone”.

The reason though is that the BIGGEST and most destructive volcanic eruptions tend to happen with lava/magma that doesn’t flow very well and like when you get a stuffed nose, everything gets blocked up. Like many of us, these volcanos don’t solve the problem and go take a decongestant or blow their nose, they just sit there sniveling and stewing, failing to release the pressure that keeps building and building and building.

These eruptions are called felsic eruptions (the opposite of mafic, goopy eruptions you have seen footage of from Hawaii where the lava comes out like a fluid). An immense amount of gas is released by magma as it becomes exposed to the surface (which then we call it “lava”) as the gas is no longer kept in the magma at immense pressures. The magma can’t flow and “pass the gas” so to speak so a plug forms and what you get is a terrifyingly big pressure cooker that just builds and builds like that person on the plane next to you that just keeps sniffing and sniffing and never blowing their nose.

When the built up pressure finally overcomes the plug, the resulting explosion is so catastrophic it doesn’t leave a clean volcano shape. What you are left with is an uneven low topography dotted with lakes that marks the site of an incomprehensibly large explosion, hence the topography of Yellowstone, Wyoming and the Taupo Volcanic Zone on the North Island of New Zealand.

TIME FOR SOME STATS THAT WILL BREAK YOUR BRAIN

"The Taupō Volcanic Zone has produced in the last 350,000 years over 3,900 cubic kilometres (940 cu mi) material, more than anywhere else on Earth, from over 300 silicic eruptions [my edit: “Felsic” means “has lots of silica/silicic (silicic? seriously wikipedia?) and wants to form minerals high in silica like quartz and feldspar”], with 12 of these eruptions being caldera-forming. Detailed stratigraphy in the zone is only available from the Ōkataina Rotoiti eruption but including this event, the zone has been more productive than any other rhyolite predominant volcanic area [my edit: Rhyolite is a record of catastrophe, it is a Felsic, silica-rich igneous rock like Granite except it cooled FAST at the surface instead of in big underground “batholiths” (that make up a good portion of the Canadian Shield and the NE of the US among other places) where the minerals had time to grow into big pretty crystals, same ingredients as Granite but with much more exciting baking instructions] over the last 50,000 odd years at 12.8 km3 (3.1 cu mi) per thousand years. Comparison of large events in the Taupō volcanic zone over the last 1.6 million years at 3.8 km3 (0.91 cu mi) per thousand years versus with Yellowstone Caldera’s 2.1 million year productivity at 3.0 km3 (0.72 cu mi) per thousand years favours Taupo…

The last major eruption from Lake Taupō, the Hatepe eruption, occurred in 232 CE. It is believed to have first emptied the lake, then followed that feat with a pyroclastic flow that covered about 20,000 km2 (7,700 sq mi) of land with volcanic ash. A total of 120 km3 (29 cu mi) of material expressed as dense-rock equivalent (DRE) is believed to have been ejected, and over 30 km3 (7.2 cu mi) of material is estimated to have been ejected in just a few minutes."

^en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taupō_Volcanic_Zone

“The main extremely violent pyroclastic flow travelled at close to the speed of sound and devastated the surrounding area, climbing over 1,500 m (4,900 ft) to overtop the nearby Kaimanawa Ranges and Mount Tongariro, and covering the land within 80 km (50 mi) with ignimbrite [my edit: the name for pyroclastic flow deposits, i.e. pumice and ash, that kind of thing]. Only Ruapehu was high enough to divert the flow.  The power of the pyroclastic flow was so strong that in some places it eroded more material off the ground surface than it replaced with ignimbrite.  There is evidence that it occurred on an autumn afternoon and its energy release was about 150 megatons of TNT equivalent. The eruption column penetrated the stratosphere as revealed by deposits in ice core samples in Greenland and Antarctica.”

^en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taupō_Volcanic_Zone

why the did I make this stupid meme in feet instead of metric, I am such an asshole -facepalm

So you’re saying we need to cover Wyoming in cement. Gotcha.

Seriously though, cool info!

So you’re saying we need to cover Wyoming in cement. Gotcha.

I am sure if you sold it to Wyoming voters as a way to hurt trans people AND immigrants at the same time they would happily vote for it and drown themselves alive in a sea of concrete.

If you’re already paying for, just roughly guessing, trillions of tons of concrete, surely you can pay off all 12 people that live in Wyoming.
So you are saying we need more concrete?
Paving over all of Yellowstone is the only right answer.
And expedite it, we only have a couple of million years to finish the job.
Yeah, we could build a Walmart there too!
We will need to send the best managers Walmart has to offer to keep the volcanoes in check
They paved paradise and put up a parking lot.
No no no, we need to dig down to the magma to release the pressure!
With a valve, I guess, to release the pressure gently
No. Bore through all the way to the other side so all the magma just drains out.
Time to invest in concrete companies. The demand is going to be HUGE!
IIRC when Mount Saint Helens erupted in the 80s it blew the top half of the volcano off.
Yeah and slightly off topic wasn’t the pic of Helens blowing its top taken by a man who knew in advance the explosion would kill him and protected his film? Am i thinking of the right story?
I think so

Had to look this up. It was en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Landsburg

RIP

Robert Landsburg - Wikipedia

Robert Landsburg - Wikipedia

Such a simple but beautiful act of love to spend your last moments of life doing that knowing that if those photos might help people understand volcanoes and their associated hazards even a tiny better in the future it was worth it.

You could call it tragic, and of course it is, but I prefer to call it badass.

Thanks for adding the link. He was a real one, deserves to be remembered

That’s Robert Landsburg although I don’t think his photos are very famous.

The series of photos that were turned into a video were taken by Gary Rosenquist, who survived the eruption.

Robert Landsburg - Wikipedia

So much awesome power in that eruption (with non-awesome human and nature/animal consequences).

mountsthelens.com/history-1.html

This article is a good play-by-play of how the eruption physically progressed, I particularly like this illustration.

Mt. St. Helens History

The history of Mt. St. Helens eruption and erupting periods including native american history and historical accounts of the volcano. Previous Eruptive History, Reawakening and Initial Activity, Climatic Eruption of 1980, Debris Avalanche

Made me whip out my geology notes I took a few semesters ago, thanks for the fun explanation