seahorse [Ohio]Snipers seen at OSU
CaptObviousIf they’re actually snipers, they suck at their job.
snooggumsTheir job is intimidation, so they are succeeding.
Touché
Che BananaIf only there was a history class or something on campus…
If OSU is like my campus (dismantling the humanities college in a pro-STEM state), they may not have much of a history department anymore.
Im sure OSU specifically is fine, they have like the 2nd or 3rd largest campus in the country, big 10 school with a ton of funding, multiple highly accredited programs, and many people go there just to say they went to “The” Ohio State Univesity
cosmicrookieSometimes they need to hide, some times they need to be seen
If you can see one team, there is probably at least one more you can’t.
Their “job” here is intimidating protestors…
They can’t do that if they’re not seen.
tjhart85I mean, they're cops, chances are very high that they suck at their jobs.
Including the shooting part.
They aren’t trying to hide. OSU has these guys out for every football game or large gathering.
No, these are police snipers their job is to shoot anyone who actually succeeds at hurting cops. They aren’t the same tactical role as military snipers
We’re so different from those godless immoral Chinese communists, something like Tianenman Square would never happen here.
Lol.
Lmao, even.
To hell with your christofacist state. Worshipping a god of wrath like the abrahamic god is even worse than worshipping your own megalomaniac self
Take a breath, homie. It’s a play on an old cold war saying. I’m IRL a Buddhist.
Did they shoot and kill as many as in Tiananmen or less?
If your basis for ethical governance is splitting hairs about relative body count, stop, go back, you fucked up. But also: give them a minute. It’s the cops we’re talking about here. They might be a little slow, but they’ll get the job done eventually.
… I’d say the body count for which your government murders you is pretty damn relevant without splitting hairs lmfao.
Emphasis “relative”. The US govt and agents thereof (read: police) murder and brutalize often enough, and even get quite upset when people get upset over their doing it. That’s why I say it’s splitting hairs.
Bro we can all tell you’re just looking for excuses to justify government violence when it suits.
You can pull the mask off now, we know what you are.
Translation: Threats of violence are fine for a government to regularly make as long as no one has died.
Not authoritarian at all
But they have these at football games and other major events including political events and so on too? Why is this any different, especially when considering it’s related to the Middle East and considering what happens w/ suicide bombers?
These spotters are different from the police shootings in the Kent State incident, no?
So because the students are protesting about something happening in the Middle East, you jump straight to worrying about suicide bombers? Not all Arabs are ISIS my dude, your bias is showing
This has nothing to do with bias, and everything to do with prior incidents (9/11, namely… but also the '93 bombing, the 2009 fort hood shooting the 2013 Boston marthon bombing, the 2015 san bernardino attack and the 2016 orlando nightclub shooting)
Further, I’m not super thrilled about you accusing me of being a racist because I’m concerned about a prevalent concern/non-zero likelihood risk or threat. Don’t assume maliciousness where ignorance may suffice. Flies. Vinegar. Honey.
You 'muricans are a bunch of fucking crybabys. I’m glad those two towers fell, honestly.
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master troll 4 sure bro
As far as i know the US state kills about thousand people each year on US soil
tocopherolMany police department don’t report the deaths of people due to their actions or in their custody to any sort of national database as well, so estimates are likely undercounting. Corruption is rampant in departments as well, there have been cases of people dying and being buried by police without informing the family or anyone else.
So it’s likely much worse than we realize. Many murders are unsolved, there are many missing people cases also unsolved. In 2020, there were dozens of people reported missing that were involved in protests that were never found.
Except these aren’t snipers. They’re spotters.
Everyone here took a Twitter post, yet again, for face value and accepted it as fact.
On the other hand, the TIANANMEN Square Massacre did happen and did kill people. That’s the difference.
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Uh, okay. I see what you’re playing at here, yeah, Tianenman Square happened, but that doesn’t mean that the US is then free and clear. We have a similar spirit of authoritarianism with a strong national myth about how it’s okay for us because we’re the “good guys” (spoiler alert).
More to the point, we have a militarized police force that aggressively puts down any meaningful protest. Our police regularly kill, maim, and brutalize people for no other reason than to put them in their place. My point isn’t China good, my point is making fun of all the people who hand-wring about China and communism while we already live under a not-so-different dumbfuck authoritarianism ourselves.
I definitely agree, I’m all for ACAB. I was just making the express observation (prior to my comment being deleted by the owner) that, this is not one of those cases.
If we aren’t fair, reasonable, and dead honest on these points in our protests, they won’t be taken seriously. And when protests aren’t take seriously things get dangerous, and I don’t want to see legitimate protest against the police state turn into damnation or terrorism charges, more than they already are.
Thanks for being civil and having a conversation about this
Then AMAA.
All Motorcyclists Are Assholes.
Let’s try this again without the Tiananmen Square Massacre copy pasta, at the explicit request of “seahorse” the Midwest social owner:
The difference between the two is that there was no weapon here. You can’t even make out what’s in front of the dude in black but most everyone here took a Twitter post as fact.
The Tiananmen Square massacre, on the other hand, did happen and did kill people. That’s the difference here.
I responded to the comment with the copypasta. Anyway, the point isn’t China good, the point is making fun of all the people in the US that screech about Chinese authoritarianism like we haven’t been captured by our own stupid fucking brand of authoritarianism.
We can keep that chain here one sec, wait for the edit of this:
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“The difference between the two is that there was no weapon here.”
GammaIt does look like the top right of the banner in the OP
Agreed, but I still want to know what the source is.
I’ve also come to learn about marksman which are basically cops setup at major events with lots of people to prevent suicide bombers
Now that’s a double edged sword, especially because of, we’ll all that the police have been doing since, well the beginning it would seem. I can’t trust a cop to do a routine traffic stop without shooting someone, I certainly would be concerned about one with a sniper at a high-stress/high movement event like this.
I can definitely see this being real now, but I’m not sure if I agree with it or not - I agree that a terrorist attack at an event like this would be devastating and I wouldn’t want that to happen either, but I don’t trust that the police are being trained appropriately or being audited/actioned on appropriately.
Ultimately my shitty initial tone and attitude were what bit me in the ass in this thread, despite just trying to get confirmation on the information from an appropriate source, so I’m just going to leave well enough alone now.
whotookkarlwww.snopes.com/…/snipers-college-protests-gaza/
Nothing conclusive I can see yet from AP etc, but it is a bit suspicious the universities and police are not responding/stonewalling requests for information from journalists, if they had no snipers how hard would it be to say there were no snipers?
Also a healthy skepticism isn’t afraid of questioning sources I wouldn’t apologize for it either, but it can also be a rhetorical tactic that sometimes is difficult to tell if it’s genuine or not. Not an excuse just an observation.
I appreciate your candor and civility, it’s much easier for us to talk and correct any miscommunications when we’re at the same level. Thank you.
I totally agree, the whole thing screams PR/scrambling to quench any flames, rather than to just come forth with the raw, uncensored/stretched truth. We deserve to have that from our government at the very fucking least.
Nixon invades Cambodia, campuses across the country erupt in protest, armed troops deployed to deal with the unrest on an Ohio campus, guns pointed at students to intimate them into dispersing…hmmm, can’t remember what happened next…everything calmed down, I think, right?
God blessed the students with omniscient insight, so they reverted their concerns and joined the army to establish democracy all over the world. An eagle, sounding like a red-tailed hawk, was heard screeching in the distance.
Eagles these days just don’t sound like they used too, back in my day they had this powerful screech that would pierce through even a swelling orchestral track to a movie.
Then the woke mob came for Eagles and now they sound lame.
I want to go back to those good times, that I imagine in my head, those times are great because I can remember whatever bullshit fantasy I want as “history” and just throw a tantrum and scream at anyone who challenges me on it.
Red tailed hawks? What are those? Are they like an Owl or something? Since when did people give a fuck about birds? They are so boring.
( /s )
Since when did people give a fuck about birds?
Here’s the thing. You said a “jackdaw is a crow.” Is it in the same family? Yes. No one’s arguing that. As someone who is a scientist who studies crows, I am telling you, specifically, in science, no one calls jackdaws crows. If you want to be “specific” like you said, then you shouldn’t either. They’re not the same thing. If you’re saying “crow family” you’re referring to the taxonomic grouping of Corvidae, which includes things from nutcrackers to blue jays to ravens. So your reasoning for calling a jackdaw a crow is because random people “call the black ones crows?” Let’s get grackles and blackbirds in there, then, too. Also, calling someone a human or an ape? It’s not one or the other, that’s not how taxonomy works. They’re both. A jackdaw is a jackdaw and a member of the crow family. But that’s not what you said. You said a jackdaw is a crow, which is not true unless you’re okay with calling all members of the crow family crows, which means you’d call blue jays, ravens, and other birds crows, too. Which you said you don’t. It’s okay to just admit you’re wrong, you know?
Here’s the thing. You said a “jackdaw is a crow.” Is it in the same family? Yes. No one’s arguing that. As someone who is a scientist who studies crows, I am telling you, specifically, in science, no one calls jackdaws crows.
Whatever schmuck, the thesis title of my double-PHD from Beige University (Rhode Island Ivy League) was “Crows And Jackdaws, A MetaAnalysis Of Corvidae Interchangeability Along Intersectional Metrics Of Culture, Science and Archival Preservation”.
Is this the first Lemmy copypasta?
Semi-Hemi-DemigodThis summer I hear the drumming.
Do you hear the people sing?
4 dead in O-Hi-O
I think they built some cool light fixtures for kids to study by or something.
They actually did put in light fixtures to mark 4 random spots in the parking lot, no one knows why they chose those exact locations or the number 🤔.
Kent State University - May 4th Memorial: Prentice Parking Lot
For those of us with third world level history what happened?
National Guard units shot and killed student protesters in Ohio at Kent State University in 1970. I’ve read the police used excuses like they had intel there were communist agitators involved, funnily similar to what they say today.
Yeah cause agitators is a reason to shoot people.
Can’t let those commies speak!/s
They were shot. Kent State shooting if you want to look I to it more.
third world level history
You mean “actual history, without the american propaganda”?