ooliIsrael is killing people based on being in the same Whatsapp group
landIsrael aimed to spark a regional conflict to avoid facing genocide allegations. However, Iran didn’t buy into their PR tactics.
What group currently calling Jihad against Israel has not openly recieved funding from the Iranian state, going back to 1992?
The answer is none. Every group calling for Jihad and Jewish genocide in the region has received monetary support from Iran.
Why is that?
Because Israel and Iran are enemies and have been in a state of semi-war for ages?
So Iran can fund jihad against Judaism itself, and it’s Israel’s fault?
Talking about the “initial fault” in this conflict is moot. We’re at a point, where both sides can reasonably point to some events in the past and blame the other side for the conflict.
Fact is, Iran is a theocratic dictatorship and its allies are religious fanatic militias, while Israel is a liberal democracy, supported by pretty much all of The West™. Of course the expectations towards Israel regarding human rights and international law are slightly higher. And let’s be honest, what Israel is doing right now is certainly not helping calming the situation, or even making long term peace.
I don’t know if I fully buy that argument.
If somebody supports Israel, they are supporting a genocide based on perceived land needs of the Israeli people.
If somebody supports Palestine, they are supporting a genocide based on the outright extermination of the Jewish people, funded by Iran and Qatar.
I don’t think we can get anywhere unless all of us as leftists acknowledge that the Jews of Israel will be in the same position the people of Palestine are in right now if we don’t thread the needle of support and guess what? We are not fucking threading that needle.
If somebody supports Palestine, they are supporting a genocide based on the outright extermination of the Jewish people, funded by Iran and Qatar.
What? No significant player in Palestine is trying to do that.
If we pretend the “elected” government of Palestine is in significant than sure.
Uh... Hamas has tried to make peace with Israel before. Multiple times. Including two attempts to hand over Gaza to the PA and start peace negotiations. Israel has refused all of them.
Israel isn’t the one rejecting the cease fire right now.
Uh... They are? Hamas has stated what they consider an acceptable ceasefire by listing their bare minimum "if we don't get this there's no point" demands and Israel keeps rejecting them. It's Israel refusing to compromise here.
Also you ignored my reply.
Uhm… No.
Hamas rejected the last ceasefire because they won’t hand over 40 hostages.
At least keep current of the news if you are pretending you care.
How does that contradict what I said?
If Hamas cared about their people (they don’t. That has been clear for 20 years), they would accept a cease fire, which only requires they give back the hostages.
Again, they've been very clear why they're rejecting the ceasefire. A temporary ceasefire "extended into something more enduring" is a bold-faced lie by Biden, as shown in the first ceasefire.
Why are you trusting the words of terrorists hiding in a Qatari skyscraper instead of standing with their people and leading the fight?
Hamas keeps rejecting the ceasefire because they are fighting a propaganda war, and dead Palestinians is the way to do it.
Why are you trusting the words of terrorists hiding in a Qatari skyscraper instead of standing with their people and leading the fight?
You do realize Hamas has Gaza leadership too right? Both have different roles.
Your response to the claim of them being terrorists is that some of them have other roles?
Jesus.
What the... You're not even making sense anymore.
You guys don’t have to engage with me, unless its like a quota thing that needs to be hit.