BonesOfTheMoonRemember these damn things?
MrJameGumbI had one of these! I want to say it was purchased in the late 90s and lasted until around 2006 before I finally threw it in the garbage lol! They definitely were not stable and once it fell over the bulb would usually break around 50% of the time… Also once it fell over or even if it just got moved a little bit all the parts that screwed together would get loose and the lamp would stand crooked and wobble until you tightened it all back up again!
RubberElectronsThreadlock worked well here.
I don’t doubt it! I did not know what thread locker was in 2002 though…
m-p{3}I swapped mine for an LED-equivalent bulb.
NeatoYep. IKEA has a bunch of models. It’s really great for providing indirect light to a whole space to combat glare. Mine also has a little reading light.
Does it light up as much? I remember those halogen things burning like the sun at max power. Not necessarily ro always have ofc but the light was very nice (IIRC).
Not as bright, but it might be the bulbs I chose.
They make 200W+ equivalent incandescent style LED bulbs these days. I have one as the only light in my garage and it’s like the sun, but only uses like 13W.
I bought the 30W LED and they’re still not as bright as the halogen I had
Looking up just a few of the first search results for R7S bulbs, I see LEDs around 3300 lumens and halogens around 4500 lumens, so that makes sense. I don’t know if anyone makes a bright enough LED for your replacement.
I’m thinking there’s possibly some confusion here too, due to the way they label bulbs. It looks to be like the halogen is rated to use 300W itself, whereas LED bulbs are labeled by their incandescent equivalent wattage. Halogens are significantly more efficient than incandescent bulbs, so I think you’d need someone to make a 350-400W equivalent LED to match.
That makes sense, thanks!
DiplomjodlerThese would be much easier to do with LEDs but somehow they didn’t survive the transition.
Who’s what’s upward directional lighting? They were a horrendous design that only lit the room tip, not great for reading to crafting.
People who want the entire room lit up with fairly soft lighting?
It only lights the ceiling up, you still need additional lighting for anything you want to do.
And these were designed so the heat wouldn’t get trapped in the lid and the are super bright, so you couldn’t point them down. Replacing it with LED you wouldn’t need the same design considerations.
It’s soft light acter bouncing off the ceiling.
Which is inefficient and terrible design, that’s why it didn’t survive to the new technology.
Direct light and soft light are useful for different purposes. If you’re trying to efficiently light up a room, ceiling light may be useful, but for e.g. photography, you can usually get better results by using a diffuser, and this shape allows reusing the ceiling as the diffuser. Plus nostalgic value.
Sure, it’s inefficient. But it’s more cozy. Also, those lights are usually dimmable, giving the halogen lights an even warmer colour temperature. Together with the indirect light, they were great for bedrooms or living rooms, when you don’t want or don’t need harsh ceiling light. Of course, no one would use them, when they’re trying to work on something or read or something like that. Home lighting isn’t always about the most efficient way to light a room.
I for example still prefer indirect light in my living room, most of the time. Sure, it’s LED by now, but it’s still way nicer to let the light bounce off the wall while I’m just chilling. And if I actually need more light, the ceiling lamp still exists…
Or how would you propose to create a cozy, soft and comfortable lighting atmosphere?
Or how would you propose to create a cozy, soft and comfortable lighting atmosphere?
Proper installed lighting? Like codes require in most places? There’s even lux requirements for decades in code. It’s just modern bulbs don’t meet the requirements that old housing used, so now people come up with excuses to use portable lighting instead of proper installed lighting.
Maybe time for a reno to use your modern devices correctly:
Here in Germany in most houses and apartments, rooms come with wiring for one, rarely two ceiling lamps. That’s it. If you’re fancy, there’s maybe wiring for one or two wall mounted lamps, if it’s a particularly big room. In the average room, if your lighting is properly installed you have one sufficiently bright ceiling lamp (one lamp, not necessarily just one bulb) to illuminate the room to a good brightness level. It’s not cozy but it’s bright.
Now tell me, what should I do, to make it more cozy, that doesn’t involve laying new wiring into a concrete wall?
Also, when has code compliant lighting ever been designed to be cozy? The regulations for primary lighting here in Germany are designed to provide sufficiently bright and pleasant light, illuminating the whole room. That’s it. There aren’t even any real codes for home lighting, only for work spaces, which do not need to be cozy but safe and comfortable.
For home lighting there only exist unofficial recommendations, which, btw, usually include a recommendations for floor lamps and indirect lighting in living- and bedrooms.
They sell them at IKEA, with LED bulbs
Just because someone sells something and people buy it, doesn’t mean it’s a great design or there isn’t better options.
Just like essential oils.
Essential fucking oils?! What is going on in your head? I was just refuting your bullshit take that they didn’t “survive”.
SzethFriendOfNimiIt’s using the ceiling as a diffuser to soften it. Same way that photographers don’t normally point a light directly at a subject but instead use a diffuser like this
Which is a horrible inefficient design and why it don’t transfer with LEDs.
It’s wild how hard you’re getting raked over the coals here.
You’re not wrong at all.
Your likely have LEDS diffused down through the shade these days.
It’s like people are ignoring the person who asked why this didn’t transfer to LEDs. Yeah I know what the light was designed for, I literally said it, and then explained why it doesn’t work for LEDs. It was mainly a design to not trap the heat in, if they could do downward facing halogens… this light probably wouldn’t ever exist.
It’s not like LEDs are noticeably dimmer compared to their tungsten/halogen counterparts. Theres no reason they wouldn’t work in this lamp and many lamps still have a very similar design.
Inverse square law. A brighter light will shine more light further away. These work since it’s such a bright point source.
Or… just hear me out. Less brightness is perfectly suitable.
Sure for “reading or crafting” you may want more direct light. But for like existing in a room? You don’t need 3000 lumens of 6000k highly directional light. One or two soft spread out sources is plenty for existing in a living room.
So is the ceiling light.
Downward facing ceiling lights don’t diffuse as well as an upward facing light bouncing off the ceiling.
If you get an Edison style LED those are generally OK in downward facing lights. But LED bulbs in general suck ass at diffusing without having something to bounce off of. An upward facing bulb on a popcorn ceiling is the perfect combo for nice diffused light in a room. There’s a reason why funky ass light fixtures and traditional light fixtures aren’t as popular.
Wait, no.
The place you’re wrong is where you’re acting like these lamps aren’t still used.
You can buy them at ilea for like 10 bucks.
I have 3 of this style and have incandescent style led bulbs in them. They work fantastic.
The directional panel leds you’ll see in modern LED fixtures are not a good fit for these, but others are.
Essential oils are a thing, people will buy anything, it doesn’t mean it’s practicable or there’s not far better options.
I own a house, I have multiple rooms.
If you choose to stop and have a more open mindset you’ll see you’re actually being downvoted for quite good reason.
Now I realize it’s because you’re being argumentative and refusing to try to see perspective you don’t understand.
Oh no, a bunch of people disagree with me… and I’m being downvoted… oh well… why do you think any of that matters?
These lights are a terrible design, sorry.
Why is this so hard to believe?
Because we own lamps and have experience that extends beyond your narrow mindset.
Take care dude, I don’t care in the slightest about your opinion anymore.
Because we own lamps and have experience that extends beyond your narrow mindset.
And people argue for essential oils as well. They are absolutely allowed that opinion.
Never cared about yours to begin with as well, so… what’s your point here?
I understand it’s objectively less efficient. But living space preferences aren’t only about objective efficiency.
I’m guessing you’re getting down voted by all of us that want light to be reflected/diffused off the ceiling, and actively own LED versions of this lamp.
These exist, they make LED versions of this. I have 3 of them because I’m too lazy to crawl into the attic and install better lighting in the ceiling itself.
I too am a fan of pouring money down the drain on inefficient and useless lighting that needs to be 3x the power of other lighting!
I too am a fan of pouring money down the drain on inefficient and useless lighting that needs to be 3x the power of other lighting!
I don’t understand this take. A single LED bulb provides plenty of light for a bedroom, and two are plenty for a larger room. Your house doesn’t have to look like a doctors office with 700 downward facing lights.
…what are you even talking about? “better” lighting is completely subjective, I am happy with what my lights do and they are already LED, so there is no more efficient way to get the effects that I prefer.
It’s ok if you prefer different things, but you’re just crapping on other people’s subjective preferences as if your preference is the only right answer.
When I take pictures of my cats, I blast my Emisar DT8’s overdrive mode at the ceiling and it diffuses the light PERFECTLY for sick, sharp cat pics.
PURRFECTLY
Check out the guy with black ceilings.
Popcorn ceilings, for all their downfalls, are incredible at diffusing light pointed straight at them. I have a desk lamp pointed straight at the ceiling for when I want to light up my entire bedroom, but don’t want the effect from the downward facing ceiling nipple. That desk lamp is about 4 feet away from the ceiling but it provides plenty of light for the entire room.
Cosmic ClericIt only lights the ceiling up, you still need additional lighting for anything you want to do. And halogens are not soft lighting either.
I see you’re in full body-contact mode with others on this discussion, and I don’t mean the pile on, but I honestly wanted to ask you a follow-up question to your statement that I quoted.
What you stated is not my experience. My house has light color painted ceilings, with no popcorn, so when the light goes up it bounces off the ceiling and gives a warm glow to the whole area.
I don’t see it as wasting energy, just diffusing the light in all directions, without having to have an explicit device in between the light and you to do the diffusing (like what they have in the film industry).
And I say this regardless if it was using halogen bulbs or LEDs. With halogens since the light diffuses it does affect a somewhat soft glow to the whole room. Personally I like LEDs better where you can change the warmth level of the light that it emits, but still, the act of the photons bouncing off of light color ceiling and diffusing does give that warmish glow.
I understand if you don’t want to respond, as you spent a lot of time in this conversation already, but I honestly would like to hear your opinions about my thoughts that I just elaborated on.
Lol, this one doesn’t understand how light reflects off of objects
I do, this is a great lighting technique for someone who does not want direct lighting
I checked your comment history to see if you’re a troll. Nope, just an incredibly smug, obnoxious person who seems to think your opinions are facts, and everyone else is an idiot for not seeing things you way. Easy choice to block!
I have no issue amending my knowledge when giving unequivocal facts, but if you’re giving an opinion back, and I give facts and knowledge back and you don’t want to address it. Sure I guess that makes me obnoxious? For wanting evidence? Sure.
“unequivocal”
exCUSE me? I explained how 9000 lumens into the eyeball is the ideal lighting and if you disagree, you’re just fooling yourself. It’s not my fault that my superior knowledge about the inefficiency of other lighting is seen as close minded.
I have no issue amending my knowledge when giving unequivocal facts.
We can see your comment history…
sure I feed the trolls as well
By being rude & and all over the place? Doesn’t seem to be best approach. It seems to me as if, you just like drama & negative attention.
Wait, I maybe wrong but doesn’t that make you the troll?
The problem being, you don’t know who is a troll until you’ve actually engaged with them so yeah you kinda need to engage with someone before being able to tell if they are a troll or not.
And yes my comment history is open, and I don’t delete and stand by what I say, most other people delete their shit and hide.
If you go back, you would see any discussion over the last few days hasn’t provided any sources back. Sure I’m taking it a little far, but sure I need to amend my opinion without sources, yet the sources I provide somehow don’t matter. Sure, makes total sense.
Y’all it’s a fuckin lamp
Easy choice to block!
FYI, when you block somebody here on Lemmy they can still see your posts/comments and reply to them, but you just can’t see their posts/comments?
I have issues with light sensitivity. These were a godsend for bright but indirect lighting.