Unprovoked - Lemmy.World

Everyone was very much screaming guy when Israel hit the Iranian embassy. It’s not who’s doing the bombing that’s the difference, it’s that Israel and Hamas bombing each other happens all the time, Iran and Israel bombing each other is a step level up in intensity, evidence of a growing war.
You can’t really condemn Hama’s. They’re killing Nazis. Killing Nazis is always good. If you think otherwise, you are a Nazi.
So by your logic, because I disapprove of massacring people dancing at a music festival I am now a Nazi, and you consider my murder to be a good? Is that your pitch?

They were colonists dancing on stolen land. The people they stole it from killed a few of them. They probably still had the keys to the buildings from when they lived there.

I don’t really care what they were doing. You could make a moral argument if I killed them, but anything any Palestinian does to any “Israeli” is always justified as self defense, under any conditions.

Hamas is a terrorist organization that kills Palestinians, they’re funded by Iran and China, and were not even elected, they literally just took control.

You defending them only validates Isreal’s response against Palestinian in this conflict.

They’re thugs, they don’t represent Palestinian, but by giving credence to their organization, you basically okay the attacks on Palestinian civilians.

This is so factually incorrect its blatant racist propaganda.

…wikipedia.org/…/Palestinian_Legislative_Council

Hamas is a political party that electorally seized control of Gaza in in 2006 from Fatah, Yasser Arafat’s party. Fatah rebelled against Hamas in 2007 and lost. Yet Fatah is still has 45 seats to Hamas’ 72 on the PLC.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Gaza_(2007)

Nice little excerpt for you: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Gaza_(2007)#200…

The Palestinian legislative election took place on 25 January 2006 and was judged to be free and fair by international observers.[18][19] It resulted in a Hamas victory, surprising Israel and the United States, which had expected their favoured partner, Fatah, to retain power.[20] On 27 January, US President George Bush said “the landslide victory of the militant Islamic group Hamas was a rejection of the “status quo” and a repudiation of the “old guard” that had failed to provide honest government and services”.[2]

That last line from Bush is surprisingly correct. Hamas is effectively the Palestinian branch of the Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood. Their primary tactic is actually charity work by feeding the abundant poor people of Gaza and radicalizing them from there.

Palestinian Legislative Council - Wikipedia

Nothing you said conflicted with any of my points, lol

and were not even elected, they literally just took control

The Palestinian legislative election took place on 25 January 2006 and was judged to be free and fair by international observers.[18][19] It resulted in a Hamas victory

They’re thugs, they don’t represent Palestinian, but by giving credence to their organization

Literally the most popular political party in the West Bank and Gaza.

A terrorist organization that used political violence and only a small portion of the population to gain power is not really an election.

used political violence and only a small portion of the population to gain power

Made up bullshit that I literally just disproved with George Fucking Bush agreeing that they won the election fair in square.

Terrorist organization

They said the same thing about the ANC and Nelson Mandela. Do you know where South Africa stands on this issue?

So they used violence against Palestinian people and only accepted a small portion of the vote, but because Bush said it was okay, that means it’s okay.

Okay then

So they used violence against Palestinian people

What the fuck are you even referring to? Putting down the Fatah coup?

and only accepted a small portion of the vote

Again, what are you referring to? The election was internationally accepted as free and fair.

Right, Bush said so

The entire international community said so. Bush is just an example of how unanimous it was.

Cite something if you’re going to make any more claims or fuck off.

The audacity to use Bush as a source and then tell me to cite something, lol.

Please reread the thread: programming.dev/comment/9241141

Reading through your comment history you’re clearly a troll.

Unprovoked - programming.dev

You just call anyone a troll for calling you out, lol
Do you believe in justified massacres more broadly too? Would Sahrawis slaughtering Moroccan settlers or Kypriots killing Turkish settlers also be good things?
Mate, get it to your fucking head, a colonized people killing their colonizers IS ALWAYS BASED. now I know you fucking crackers in the west have an issue with that because almost the entirety of your modern civilization is based on colonialism and slavery, but you shouldn’t cry when you’re getting the business side of the gun aimed at you after LITERALLY TRYING TO STEAL LAND.

I think theres an active ongoing genocide, and the lives of the inhuman monsters doing it cannot be a concern if you want it to stop.

everything else has been tried and tried and tried. the only fix left is killing them until they can’t. not until they promise to stop; they’ve shown their promises are worth less than nothing. until they can’t. until there are no more veteran or military age “Israelis” who aren’t crippled left to continue the genocide.

and then we, as a fucking world, need to do something token to making it up to the Palestinian people. start with returning every inch of their land, building them all the infrastructure bombs we bought have destroyed over the years, offering them free educations in every university in the world, and doing whatever the PTSD treatment equivalent of the fucking Berlin airlift is.

Who is the arbiter of when there is an “active ongoing genocide”? Who do you trust with the authority to kill and cripple entire populations? What happens when the Israelis are defenseless and the Palestinians come for revenge? Will that be a genocide? Should they be killed and crippled too?

prickly question, big question, but inot revevent here: in this case, you dont need an arbiter; they all brag about doing it. they’re not even hiding it anymore. lookupany Zionist shutzstaffel butcher’s social media, you’ll see video evidence, posted in public by the guilty party. their command structure says it. their prime minister says it. its in the songs they teach their vile spawn.

the “Israeli” needs to be killed or crippled to stop them from killing Palestinians. at the end, there must be no such thing as an “Israeli”.

what the Palestinians do to any “Israeli”, or what they decide to do to these masses of non-persons on their land his nice it’s returned is up to them, and I can make no moral judgment.

they could, as many likely will, jack themselves off about forgiveness, and make an effort to raise the remainder or ship them off to international relatives or something. I think that would be foolish, but its not my place to say.

they cod shackle them in cages and become the go to global spot for organ transplants, and I’d applaud their practicality.

they could dig a giant hole, and put every last one of them there, or grind them up for fucking fertilizer, and finally make that bullshit about ‘making the desert bloom’ ever so slightly true.

the point is I dont care. once you surrender your humanity, it is gone. you no longer count as human. the effort to kill you may not be worth it, but it can never again be a moral consideration.

Have you spared any thoughts to how easy it would be to swap “Israelis” and Palestinians in your rant?
yeah you’d just have to strip out all the justification and substance and reasons why.
If by a miracle the conflict calms down and then ends, how long will Israelis remain sub-human scum who deserve to be ground up into paste?

oh shit, we’re grinding them into paste now?

well forever then, whether they deserve it or not; theres a global paste shortage. the needs of the many; you understand.