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Leate_WonceslaceI think itās an acceptable course of action to vote 3rd party if you are in a solid red or solid blue state. However, I think the way you phrased it got peopleās hackles raised.
Thanks for agreeing. š¤
How would you have phrased it?
āItās alright to vote 3rd party if youāre not in a swing stateā or something like that. The Overton window shifted away from the idea that thereās some moral failing for voting for Biden because of the anti-voting astroturfing that happened recently.
Where are you getting this idea of anti-voting astroturfing? All the propaganda I see seems to be catered to getting people to vote for the lesser of two evils.
Also donāt get me wrong. Iām very much against not voting. I just donāt see any money being spent on pushing anti-voting but maybe Iāve missed it. š¤·
Russia is known to do this at this point. A sudden spike in talking about how voting for [current DNC candidate] is immoral usual fortells a report a few months later that it was started by Russians being paid to spread that message. The fact that lemmygrad, .ml, and Hexbear users suddenly started pushing it 2 weeks ago right after Biden started making serious progress against Israel suggests this is the case. I donāt know that Russian bots are using Hexbear as a staging ground, but even if they arenāt itās still at the very least directly downstream from Russian propaganda.
While I donāt doubt that russia benefits from trump winning and Democrat voters not voting, the reason why hexbears (and other communists or socialists) donāt believe in voting is accurate, but shitty.
Voting for a communist party wonāt work in america, since such a party will never be able to gain political power due to state repression stopping their movements, generations of anti-left propaganda, and probably a dozen other reasons that were debated before bush was even in office. While I donāt understand a lot of ML theory, I do know itās old.
While anti-voting rhetoric already exists on hexbear, I think itās a terrible place to try and reach people who would actually vote for biden since most instances arenāt federated. While lemmy.ml is federated, a lot of people are hyper-vigilant about tankies there, and therefore will distrust anything against the grain that ckmes from there.
As an anarchist, I donāt believe in voting either, but Iād be stupid if I didnāt recognize that voting does have consequences, even if they arenāt what Iād want. Anarchists often believe that means and ends are entwined, and therefore supporting a hierarchical system can never get rid of it, much less that supporting the state could ever topple it.
I agree with OP that itās perfectly fine to not vote biden in a solid red/blue state, and since I live in such a state, Iām not voting for Biden. But I havenāt really seen an uptick in anti-voting posts (admittedly I have some hexbear communities blocked).
About 2 weeks ago (it feels like less, but thatās what my history says) there was a deluge of them in a few meme communities that I happen to frequent, notably on blahaj 196.
accurate, but shitty
Please explain.
The accuracy comes from the fact that in the american system, there is not, and wonāt be, a candidate or hopeful that can have an impact to bring america in a socialistic direction, or for the more electoral MLs, there is no communist/socialist candidate. Either way, most people on the far left, anarchist, communist, etc, also recognize that if there is a person of their values who gets into power, odds are they will either be milquetoast in the end and coopt the movement. Or if things are particularly bad, there will be a conflict due to such a candidate winning.
I think those people are silly. They are too far-sighted to consider the local scale of elections and the conditions that come from them, even though I generally agree with the critiques of the electoral system