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Leate_WonceslaceI think itās an acceptable course of action to vote 3rd party if you are in a solid red or solid blue state. However, I think the way you phrased it got peopleās hackles raised.
Thanks for agreeing. š¤
How would you have phrased it?
āItās alright to vote 3rd party if youāre not in a swing stateā or something like that. The Overton window shifted away from the idea that thereās some moral failing for voting for Biden because of the anti-voting astroturfing that happened recently.
Where are you getting this idea of anti-voting astroturfing? All the propaganda I see seems to be catered to getting people to vote for the lesser of two evils.
Also donāt get me wrong. Iām very much against not voting. I just donāt see any money being spent on pushing anti-voting but maybe Iāve missed it. š¤·
Russia is known to do this at this point. A sudden spike in talking about how voting for [current DNC candidate] is immoral usual fortells a report a few months later that it was started by Russians being paid to spread that message. The fact that lemmygrad, .ml, and Hexbear users suddenly started pushing it 2 weeks ago right after Biden started making serious progress against Israel suggests this is the case. I donāt know that Russian bots are using Hexbear as a staging ground, but even if they arenāt itās still at the very least directly downstream from Russian propaganda.
Kind stranger, I will keep an eye out for this. Thank you for bringing this to my attention and for talking with me like a normal person. š
I hope you have a great day. šš
Itās russia and their shills but itās also tankies and other shills, fash, stooges, etc.
They want the fash cheeto.
You think ātankiesā want trump? Iām going to need a source for that one.
The other groups Iām totally with you on. But I donāt understand why more moderate lefties are so quick to pretend that far lefties are fascist. Unless you meant something else by that term, Iāve only ever heard it used to describe socialists.
Iirc, Infrahaz is or was in favor of Trump, as was Caleb Maupin (who also notably worked for Russia Today) when he was still around. Also, Tankies arenāt socialists.
What does tankie mean to you? Genuine question I promise. This is what I see when I Google the term.
Generally, tankies are individuals who advocate for authoritarian regimes while claiming both they and the regimes are leftists. These regimes may include russia, china, and North korea. Communism is a classless, moneyless, stateless society. Every single country that tankies usually advocate for fails in every single one of these criteria, and so I do not believe it is useful to refer to them as communists.
These definitions may be flawed, but they are what I am currently using, which was the question.
Thanks for clarifying šš
Liberals are just a hop and a skip away from being full blown nazis so they hate on the actual Left to try and convince people they are radical crazy people and the liberal nazis are the norm.
I guess so. Cut a liberal a fascist bleeds š
Theyāre not actually the same, btw. The personās absolutely cracked.
Liberals and fascists are in fact very, very different. Convoluting the two only serves to distance potential allies and elevate the standing of fascists.
Found the liberal
I didnāt have work today. Thanks to the union, I was able to take a couple of hours for a walk, enjoy the sounds of birds, smelled the flowers, buy a stupidly unhealthy meal, and eat it while watching a playlist consisting of anarchist news media and Tolkien literature analysis.
Going outside, being in nature, and connecting with the people around you as well as speaking with people you disagree with are all healthy activities that you should try when youāre able. Also, if you donāt have a union, fix that as soon as possible.
So is the Genocide Biden is supporting Russian propaganda?
The genocide in Palestinian will be worsened if Trump wins the election.
Please donāt misrepresent me like that again, and touch some grass.
How can it get worse? There is nothing left in Gazaā¦ not a single building is habital anymore.
While I donāt doubt that russia benefits from trump winning and Democrat voters not voting, the reason why hexbears (and other communists or socialists) donāt believe in voting is accurate, but shitty.
Voting for a communist party wonāt work in america, since such a party will never be able to gain political power due to state repression stopping their movements, generations of anti-left propaganda, and probably a dozen other reasons that were debated before bush was even in office. While I donāt understand a lot of ML theory, I do know itās old.
While anti-voting rhetoric already exists on hexbear, I think itās a terrible place to try and reach people who would actually vote for biden since most instances arenāt federated. While lemmy.ml is federated, a lot of people are hyper-vigilant about tankies there, and therefore will distrust anything against the grain that ckmes from there.
As an anarchist, I donāt believe in voting either, but Iād be stupid if I didnāt recognize that voting does have consequences, even if they arenāt what Iād want. Anarchists often believe that means and ends are entwined, and therefore supporting a hierarchical system can never get rid of it, much less that supporting the state could ever topple it.
I agree with OP that itās perfectly fine to not vote biden in a solid red/blue state, and since I live in such a state, Iām not voting for Biden. But I havenāt really seen an uptick in anti-voting posts (admittedly I have some hexbear communities blocked).
About 2 weeks ago (it feels like less, but thatās what my history says) there was a deluge of them in a few meme communities that I happen to frequent, notably on blahaj 196.
accurate, but shitty
Please explain.
The accuracy comes from the fact that in the american system, there is not, and wonāt be, a candidate or hopeful that can have an impact to bring america in a socialistic direction, or for the more electoral MLs, there is no communist/socialist candidate. Either way, most people on the far left, anarchist, communist, etc, also recognize that if there is a person of their values who gets into power, odds are they will either be milquetoast in the end and coopt the movement. Or if things are particularly bad, there will be a conflict due to such a candidate winning.
I think those people are silly. They are too far-sighted to consider the local scale of elections and the conditions that come from them, even though I generally agree with the critiques of the electoral system
Yeah, itās not a terrible idea. Another idea is to send the message that the Republicans will continue to lose the popular vote by 10+ million votes if they donāt start putting forth solutions to the real problems that Americans are concerned about.
I agree. My distant hope is that the republican party will weaken to the point that the left-wing of America will be able to take advantage of the Vaccum left behind. The events talking place in the GOP are remarkably similar to what the whig party did right before they became irrelevant.