never obsoletescreenshot from the Gentoo Linux website, 2003
https://web.archive.org/web/20031204193627/http://www.gentoo.org/main/en/shots.xml
https://web.archive.org/web/20031204193627/http://www.gentoo.org/main/en/shots.xml
Pretty Good (at crashing out)@256 seeing 20 year old IRC screenshots makes you wonder how many of those people are still around
🦾ChatGPT hyphen🤖@prettygood @256
Those who failed to give up that Gentoo habit of theirs are probably all dead 😱
I got off that shit just in time when it started impacting my quality of life in severely negative ways, but some weren't so lucky 😩
Those who failed to give up that Gentoo habit of theirs are probably all dead 😱
I got off that shit just in time when it started impacting my quality of life in severely negative ways, but some weren't so lucky 😩
@prettygood
Well, if you want my serious opinion, here it is: all this flexibility is good in theory only, we all wish if it worked just like that, but unfortunately it comes at a price of investing your own time into that constantly.
In reality you turn into a maintainer of your own version of distro — if someone updated some ebuild, but didn't care about the fact that there are other architectures than what they use — and you have to look for a patch to make their update work for you, or even write one yourself.
Some library gets updated and a few things that you use start segfaulting because those didn't get rebuilt properly — you run gdb to figure out what that was, rebuild everything… Eventually you start wasting hours on this after every single update.
Now imagine that you have not one computer, but many — and you have to do it on all of them to have the same level of flexibility and benefit from extensive compiler optinisations on all of them individually.
This was the way it was when I gave up on Gentoo — maybe things have improved since then, but honestly — I doubt that.
I don't have anything against Bluetooth, I use it even — on most of my computers, but I don't want WebP support in any of the software I use — and Void that I use now allows me to patch it out in the software I use and rebuild just those packages. This allows me to maintain proper balance of control and not wasting numerous hours on my computer-related autism.
Now Gentoo AFAIK went the same route and they now provide prebuilt binaries for popular packages for popular architectures — they should've done that YEARS ago!
@256
Well, if you want my serious opinion, here it is: all this flexibility is good in theory only, we all wish if it worked just like that, but unfortunately it comes at a price of investing your own time into that constantly.
In reality you turn into a maintainer of your own version of distro — if someone updated some ebuild, but didn't care about the fact that there are other architectures than what they use — and you have to look for a patch to make their update work for you, or even write one yourself.
Some library gets updated and a few things that you use start segfaulting because those didn't get rebuilt properly — you run gdb to figure out what that was, rebuild everything… Eventually you start wasting hours on this after every single update.
Now imagine that you have not one computer, but many — and you have to do it on all of them to have the same level of flexibility and benefit from extensive compiler optinisations on all of them individually.
This was the way it was when I gave up on Gentoo — maybe things have improved since then, but honestly — I doubt that.
I don't have anything against Bluetooth, I use it even — on most of my computers, but I don't want WebP support in any of the software I use — and Void that I use now allows me to patch it out in the software I use and rebuild just those packages. This allows me to maintain proper balance of control and not wasting numerous hours on my computer-related autism.
Now Gentoo AFAIK went the same route and they now provide prebuilt binaries for popular packages for popular architectures — they should've done that YEARS ago!
@256
@m0xEE @256 I've literally never encountered what you described, and I've been running Gentoo on at least one system for ~12 years now. All uninteresting x86_64 machines but still. The worst I've had to do was an --emptytree rebuild for a profile upgrade, but I don't need to babysit that, just let it cook.
I have a hardcore hatred of bluetooth, and I enable webp in everything, so you and I are at opposite ends of that stick, lmao
re: binary packages, I have to hold my nose to install a -bin package, much less deliberately choosing a pre-compiled one, so I am not the target market for that anyway.
I have a hardcore hatred of bluetooth, and I enable webp in everything, so you and I are at opposite ends of that stick, lmao
re: binary packages, I have to hold my nose to install a -bin package, much less deliberately choosing a pre-compiled one, so I am not the target market for that anyway.
@prettygood
I'm speaking from my experience too, I had more than 10 years of Gentoo behind my back. I started using it when building from stage1 was considered normal even, and was covered in the manual. It was so long ago that Ubuntu probably didn't exist yet or at least wasn't a household name. And it was great first, but as number of software in portage increased dramatically, the project started severally lacking manpower to maintain and test everything properly. By the time I've decided to give up on it it was as bad as I have described above. And for me it wasn't trying something new and not liking it, it was giving up old habits — surely, I'd never do it if it wasn't that bad.
@256
I'm speaking from my experience too, I had more than 10 years of Gentoo behind my back. I started using it when building from stage1 was considered normal even, and was covered in the manual. It was so long ago that Ubuntu probably didn't exist yet or at least wasn't a household name. And it was great first, but as number of software in portage increased dramatically, the project started severally lacking manpower to maintain and test everything properly. By the time I've decided to give up on it it was as bad as I have described above. And for me it wasn't trying something new and not liking it, it was giving up old habits — surely, I'd never do it if it wasn't that bad.
@256