Nick @ The Linux ExperimentApr 8, 2024

All it would take for AI to completely collapse is a ruling in the US saying these companies have to licence the content they used to train these tools.

They simply would never reach a sustainable business model if they had to fairly compensate all the people who wrote, drew, edited, sang or just created the content they use.

Simply being forced to respect attribution and licenses would kill them. Will that ruling ever happen? Maybe not. Should it? I think so.

Show threadNachiket Vartak
@thelinuxEXP This is trickier than you are making it out to be. When an object is used to train a network, it isn't being copied. But information regarding that object is captured in the network 'anonymously' and 'abstractly'. So, as an analogy - you definitely own your beard. But do you also have a right to a picture of your beard that I took in the wild? Or if someone wrote an article describing a beard that looks like yours... Do you also own that article?
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Show threadNick @ The Linux ExperimentApr 8, 2024
@vartak I do own the rights to a picture of my beard that you took, yeah ;) That’s the general rule for pictures of people and buildings
Show threadKen Kinder Apr 8, 2024

@thelinuxEXP @vartak That’s definitely not the rule, Nick. If it’s in public, it’s legal to photograph and the photo belongs to whomever took it.

Barbra Streisand learned that rule the hard way.

Show threadNick @ The Linux ExperimentApr 8, 2024
@bouncing @vartak Nope. Try to sell a picture of the Eiffel Tower, or a painting displayed publicly, or to publish a video of people walking in the street without their consent, and see how fast you’ll have to pay damages ;)
Show threadJim VernonApr 8, 2024

@thelinuxEXP @bouncing @vartak In the US, you're generallyy free to take and publish pictures of anything visible in public including people and buildings, and you own the copyright to those photos. Where things get complicated is when you want to use those photos commercially. For example, you can't go around taking photos of people's faces and sell them as stock photography without their permission.

More/better info: https://jmpeltier.com/photographing-people-in-public-legal-ethical-considerations/

Show threadKen Kinder Apr 8, 2024

@thelinuxEXP @vartak Looks like that thing about the Eiffel Tower is only at night, only in France, and completely untested in court: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/photographs-of-eiffel-tower-at-night/

See also, from @jimvernon’s link, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nussenzweig_v._DiCorcia

I know there are some stronger privacy protections in some countries in Europe, though. Eg, it isn’t always legal in the EU to photograph someone’s domicile, IIRC.

FACT CHECK: Is It Illegal to Take Photographs of the Eiffel Tower at Night?

It has all the makings of an urban legend, but this one is actually true — although it is virtually impossible to enforce.

Snopes
Show threadNachiket VartakApr 8, 2024
@thelinuxEXP No you don't, unless if it was a portrait. You are missing the point. You would have to prove that it was your beard from a scrambled set of pixels.