LaffyApr 6, 2024

Trump really wants to get someone killed & is way overdue for some jail time.

Via Kyle Griffin:

Days after a man was arrested for threatening Judge Arthur Engoron and New York AG Letitia James — saying he would kill them if they didn't stop the civil fraud case against Trump — Donald #Trump attacks both Engoron and James online.

Show threadBenderIsGreat34Apr 6, 2024
@GottaLaff that he is still a presidential candidate just shows the world that the US is not a serious country.
Show threadLaffyApr 6, 2024
@andymoose No, it shows that it applies to Republicans, not Democrats.
Show threadBenderIsGreat34Apr 6, 2024
@GottaLaff from outside of the US all that matters is that we see the US as politically chaotic and when it falls to fascism (which is very likely) it will drag everyone else down with it.
Show threadLaffyApr 6, 2024
@andymoose Then outside the Us should educate themselves. We Dems and some Republicans are doing everything we can to stop that
Show threadBenderIsGreat34Apr 6, 2024
@GottaLaff yeah ok.
Show threadBenderIsGreat34Apr 6, 2024
@GottaLaff you’ve had 3 years to deal with Trump. He would be in prison if he was in any other country.
Show threadLaffy
@andymoose Yeah, we have a legal system that is glacial.
Apr 6, 2024 at 9:17pmWeb
Show threadBenderIsGreat34Apr 6, 2024
@GottaLaff I mean what does the man have to do to get thrown in prison. He threatens judges, he ignores gag orders, he doesn’t pay anyone anything, he is a stochastic terrorist, he lies, he cheats, the list goes on. Being thorough and fair is one thing, but the way he’s mollycoddled all the time is just crazy! The system is corrupt. It’s so obvious, it’s not even a secret - it’s out there for everyone to see. And he sleeps in his own bed at night while talking heads drone on about Biden
Show threadSean Eric FaganApr 6, 2024

@andymoose @GottaLaff Neither he, nor any member of his immediate family, will spend even a day in prison.

The *most* that will happen is that he'll be sentenced to house arrest. At mar a lago.

Show threadLaffyApr 6, 2024

@kithrup @andymoose You don’t know that.

Andy, the gag orders don’t cover the judges or lawyers, by choice. They may eventually. He doesn’t go to jail unless convicted, after a trial. We don’t just imprison without trials. I happen to prefer it that way. And yes, it sucks sometimes and can be unfair. He’s also lost a few cases, remember? + 88 indictments.

Show threadBenderIsGreat34Apr 6, 2024
@GottaLaff @kithrup he is ordered to stop yapping and making threats against people, which he then ignores. He is given a warning which he then ignores. No repercussions. Does this also apply to you or anyone else or just Trump and the hideously wealthy or Republican? At no point did I say jail him without trial, but at what point do you draw the line? Is it ok if he were to, I don’t know, shoot someone on 5th avenue? Would he then be free for a couple more years awaiting trial?
Show threadLaffyApr 7, 2024
@andymoose @kithrup “he is ordered to stop yapping & making threats against people, which he then ignores.” The orders don’t apply to judges or lawyers, which is what my original post was about. He got fined by 1 judge for ignoring orders. But of course, the rest is spot on. But bc he’s a pres candidate, judges are super cautious about 1A for fear of being reversed, resulting in end of trial. That would let him go free, zero legal consequences. This is unprecedented stuff.
Show threadBenderIsGreat34Apr 7, 2024
@GottaLaff @kithrup we’re all watching with a sense of dread. Fingers crossed some sort of justice is served. As unlikely as that is.
Show threadLaffyApr 7, 2024
@andymoose I hear ya. I feel the way you do, btw, but with some caveats that I mentioned upthread. I’m more patient with the legal system than those watching from afar, because I guess I think the alternative might be worse. I’m VERY impatient & alarmed, but trying to cope with how it all works, legally. Judge Cannon, for ex, deserves every bit of scorn from everyone. @kithrup
Show threadSean Eric FaganApr 7, 2024

@GottaLaff @andymoose Except it’s not just Canon. He doesn’t have to pay $450M because… well, just because. He doesn’t even have to pay the $150M or so, it seems. (It’s not really a deadline if you’re given another 10 days to say why, and then another 10 days after that to do something, and another 10 days after that…)

It’s not just him, of course. There’s also Paxton in TX.

The clearly-apparent dual legal system here is… wrong, and not changing.

Show threadLaffyApr 7, 2024
@kithrup Totally, but I don’t think the other judges are in the tank for him, like Cannon is. They’re just super cautious so as not to get reversed. @andymoose
Show threadLaffyApr 7, 2024

@kithrup Sorry, forgot to address the rest.

As I said upthread, it’s GOP, not Dems. GOP appted judges/Federalist puppets are a huge prob. That was my orig pt.

So yes, our legal system (as I also said previously) is flawed & often unfair, but imprisoning people w/out due process would be worse (“re: Andy: He would be in prison if he was in any other country”). Andy started with: “US is not a serious country.” I said, it’s not the US, it’s (primarily, hugely) the GOP Fascist Party.

@andymoose

Show threadBenderIsGreat34Apr 7, 2024
@GottaLaff @kithrup he would have been charged and gone to trial and probably be in prison in any other country. Especially France. They tried and convicted Sarkozy. How is Trump any different. Trump has done way worse.
Show threadLaffyApr 7, 2024
@andymoose Again, my point isn't that he *shouldn't* have suffered consequences by now, so please, enough debating. I don't come here for debates. I'm saying that you made a blanket statement about the US that simply doesn't apply to "the US," it applies, almost exclusively, to GOP extremists. @kithrup
Show threadBenderIsGreat34Apr 7, 2024
@GottaLaff @kithrup ok ok. I was just clarifying that I wasn’t proposing that he NOT get a fair trial. FIN
Show threadLaffyApr 7, 2024
@andymoose Got it. Good. @kithrup