Obsol33tApr 6, 2024
Ariadne Conill 🐰
almost done writing my proposal to the @alpinelinux TSC to allow alpine to become init-system agnostic, allowing for openrc, s6 and systemd to be equally supported based on user preference
Apr 4, 2024 at 6:33pmWeb
Show threadAriadne Conill 🐰Apr 4, 2024

instead of building an "openrc compatibility layer," based on feedback from @ska I am building a proof of concept openrc initscript metadata extractor, which can write service declarations for all 3 init systems.

this allows the current openrc init scripts at the package level to be replaced with service manifests, and for us to be able to mass-convert the current init scripts into manifests.

maybe we will also support dinit, too :)

Show threadAriadne Conill 🐰Apr 4, 2024

how can you help improve the success of this effort? if you are aware of openrc init scripts in @alpinelinux which aren't "declarative" (I use this term very loosely), please send in patches to convert them to the declarative style.

but, thankfully the overwhelming majority were already converted!

Show threadkouhai, of the health issuesApr 4, 2024

@ariadne oooooh

this sounds amazing

Show threadNatanael CopaApr 5, 2024

@ariadne @alpinelinux

Just talking about this will burn me out.

Now I lost my motivation to continue on python 3.12 upgrade work (100+ py packages needs manual fixing?), clean up the testing work, boost 1.84 update, abuild release, 3.20 builders setup, llvm/clang18 upgrade, riscv64 kernel upgrade, add loonarch64 builders, the full disk problem of building infra. All this needs to be done before May for 3.20.

So please don't open a full box of bikeshedding/flamewar magnets. not now.

Show threadjordanApr 4, 2024
@ariadne @ska I would be very happy if you did OpenWRT as well :)
Show threadAriadne Conill 🐰Apr 4, 2024
@jordan what does openwrt have to do with this?
Show threadjordanApr 4, 2024
@ariadne It has its own specific flavor of init scripts that work with its procd init system
Show threadjordanApr 4, 2024
@ariadne https://openwrt.org/docs/guide-developer/procd-init-scripts
Show threadAriadne Conill 🐰Apr 4, 2024
@jordan i would have no objection to adding infrastructure to support procd init scripts in the conversion tool, but i have no personal interest in packaging procd
Show threadjordanApr 4, 2024
@ariadne Understandable, I was thinking of it more from a general-purpose "as a maintainer of a project I want to easily generate init scripts for my service for a variety of init systems" perspective, I think I missed the top of the thread that mentioned Alpine specifically
Show threadRoss BurtonApr 4, 2024
@ariadne huh. Interesting. I trust you’ll post the proposal on here when it’s done?
Show threadAriadne Conill 🐰Apr 4, 2024
@ross yeah i’ll link to the TSC work item
Show threadNatanael CopaApr 5, 2024
@ariadne @alpinelinux please let’s pay off the current technical debt before even start talking about this.
Multi init *will* burn me out
Show threadObsol33tApr 6, 2024
@ariadne @alpinelinux I wish someone did that for Debian