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Strata Lounge Apr 4, 2024

Question! Why should local governments use taxpayers’ money to buy proprietary, closed software from a single vendor? And what happens to citizens' data? A solution is to move to free and open source software like #Linux and #LibreOffice – which is exactly what Schleswig-Holstein is doing: https://blog.documentfoundation.org/blog/2024/04/04/german-state-moving-30000-pcs-to-libreoffice/ #foss #OpenSource #privacy

German state moving 30,000 PCs to LibreOffice - The Document Foundation Blog

Following a successful pilot project, the northern German federal state of Schleswig-Holstein has decided to move from Microsoft Windows and Microsoft Office to Linux and LibreOffice (and other free and open source software) on the 30,000 PCs used in the local government. As reported on the homepage of the Minister-President: Independent, sustainable, secure: Schleswig-Holstein will […]

The Document Foundation Blog

Paul Wunderlich Apr 4, 2024

@libreoffice Effectively one can not "buy" proprietary software.

in_sympathy Apr 4, 2024

@libreoffice guys is there any way of collaborating in real time in LibreOffice like with iWork apps over iCloud or with Microsoft 365?

silbaer Apr 4, 2024

@in_sympathy @libreoffice Probably not. But I don't think that is a use case here. And you are probably looking for Nextcloud office...

Jonas Apr 4, 2024

@in_sympathy @libreoffice there is Collabora and Nextcloud office, but i do not know if they also work with local clients

@in_sympathy @libreoffice

Currently you have Collabora Online: https://www.collaboraoffice.com/collabora-online/

Source code: https://www.collaboraoffice.com/code/

More info: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/LibreOffice_Online

Collabora Online - Collabora Office and Collabora Online

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Carlos Solís Apr 4, 2024

@in_sympathy @libreoffice Yes, by using software based on LibreOffice's engine such as #CollaboraOffice or #OnlyOffice. Self-hosted cloud solutions such as #Nextcloud usually offer a way to connect to either of these.

I personaly like collaborating not in real time, but with intelligent merge conflict resolution, like git. That sort of precludes using libreoffice though, because binary zips don't diff well. But for projects generated from text files, revision control software is supremely effective.

Polly Kraisus Apr 4, 2024

@in_sympathy @libreoffice @CollaboraOffice is based on LibreOffice and can be used in @nextcloud

Spas Kolev Apr 5, 2024

@in_sympathy @libreoffice I never tried but seems it could be combined with Nextcloud https://duckduckgo.com/?q=nextcloud+libreoffice&t=fpas&ia=web

nextcloud libreoffice at DuckDuckGo

DuckDuckGo. Privacy, Simplified.

hloop Apr 28, 2024

@in_sympathy @libreoffice https://www.collaboraoffice.com/

Collabora - the world's leading LibreOffice based services company - online & pc

Collabora Productivity, of course with CollaboraOnline, offers the most powerful Cloud, Mobile and Desktop Enterprise Office Suite. Cross-device, fully Open Source, excellent interoperability

Collabora Office and Collabora Online

Jan Vlug Apr 4, 2024

@libreoffice In Duitsland is er blijkbaar geen "tenzij...", @minbzk, @avhuffelen

Zeki Çatav 🤔 ☕ 🕯️🎶Apr 4, 2024

@libreoffice Hadn't this been tried twice in Munich?
LiMux

LibreOffice Apr 4, 2024

@catavz A long, long time ago – a lot has changed since then. And many would argue that it didn't succeed for political reasons, rather than technical: https://itsfoss.com/munich-linux-failure/

Tavo Apr 4, 2024

@libreoffice @catavz political reasons and personal benefits of some people was the worse.

Moth Apr 4, 2024

@libreoffice @catavz This is the sole reason people don't use more open-source software, people are hesitant to adopt new technologies (which makes sense if you've built your skill-set on those technologies but I ultimately believe that's flawed thinking) and the lack of wide-spread adoption essentially isolates those who do make that change.

They sure weren't hesitant to adopt new technologies, when Microsoft was put on all their computers!

CC: @[email protected] @[email protected]

Moth Apr 4, 2024

@cy @libreoffice @catavz Well, plenty of people who "didn't pick up on tech" so I guess there were some. Most others were introduced to computers already on windows and the Microsoft ecosystem that it involved. But you are right, the barrier to picking up new technology is more mental than it is practical. The other side to that is that Microsoft has the money and cohesiveness to push their products where as FOSS is too fragmented (which I don't consider bad) to do so.

Víktor Bautista i Roca Apr 5, 2024

@libreoffice @catavz

The article is over one year old. How has everything evolved?

Tavo Apr 4, 2024

@catavz @libreoffice https://linuxrocks.online/@Linux/112212536064595679

Linux ☑️ (@[email protected])

🇩🇪 Germany's Schleswig-Holstein moves 30,000 PCs to LibreOffice & Linux :linux: 📝 ...They DITCH Microsoft's Office and Windows. Public money? Public code! ►https://blog.documentfoundation.org/blog/2024/04/04/german-state-moving-30000-pcs-to-libreoffice #Linux #adoption #governments #Germany #Deutschland #LibreOffice #software #freedom @[email protected]

LinuxRocks.Online

@libreoffice To #Linux or to #GNU? Linux is a kernel, not an operating system. There are not many other OSes with a Linux kernel. GNU, Android and Musl distributions are the most common if not the only ones. The rest are derivations of them. For example µClibc is a GNU implementation.

@libreoffice I would expect from them a donation to the Document Foundation.

mid_kid Apr 4, 2024

@Fedihacker If you're gonna call µClibc a GNU implementation then musl is one as well, tbh. (and I'd agree)

@mid_kid I think I got confused with the extinct eglibc. Musl, µClibc can't be considered GNU implementations. Comparison of different runtimes by the author of Musl: https://www.etalabs.net/compare_libcs.html

Of course, he ignores all the GNU extensions which only Glibc supports.

Not talking about C++ which only GNU and Bionic do.

Comparison of C/POSIX standard library implementations for Linux

mid_kid Apr 4, 2024

@Fedihacker both glibc and musl expose way more functionality than just that of a posix libc, to the point that the entirety of the rest of the userspace can function largely unmodified. The line is blurry, but unlike bionic, musl and glibc are at least much, much closer to eachother, if not just mutually compatible implementations at this point. Also worth noting that the linked page is ancient, I think even older than alpine, and idk if it was updated.

disint Apr 4, 2024

@Fedihacker
"I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're referring to as Linux,
is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I've recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux."
@libreoffice

@disint @libreoffice
Truth was told.

Guido Günther Apr 4, 2024

@libreoffice That is great to hear! Please brace for the political backlash and constant and continuous lobbying of proprietary software vendors.

That's what in the end brought down earlier attempts in e.g. Munich (#LiMux) or the German Federal Foreign Office.

torspedia Apr 4, 2024

@libreoffice this will bode well for the future, when their IT departments are experienced in the software and can contribute code to it!

Cloud68.co Apr 4, 2024

@libreoffice excited every time we hear about this kind of news. Also, yeah tax funded infrastructure should be spent for free libre open source software.

Not that I would defend M$, but the cost of the operating system and the software is a fraction of the cost of the machines it runs and and the personnel that use it.

Retraining thousands of employees to use Open source products might be more expensive than the cost of the operating system & software.

Then there's the problem that almost always there will be essential software that only runs on MS desktops.

And then there's hardware compatibility issues.

Moritz Mühlenhoff Apr 4, 2024

@libreoffice Is it known what are planning to deploy? One of the supported enterprise versions mentioned at https://www.libreoffice.org/download/libreoffice-in-business/ or the standard releases commonly found in Linux distros?

LibreOffice in business | LibreOffice - Free Office Suite - Based on OpenOffice - Compatible with Microsoft

hophophop Apr 12, 2024

@jmm @libreoffice I'd think they use one of the enterprise versions. That would be the common way in larger environments.

The Incredible G Apr 5, 2024

@libreoffice That's partially why I moved from Adobe to Krita. :3

Simon Dückert Apr 5, 2024

@libreoffice Note2Self: time to give #LibreOffice another try. I did try it 3x in the past but it did not work for me in terms of features (e.g. collaboration), usability, UX, interoperability.

Axel Stieglbauer Apr 5, 2024

@libreoffice @opensuse Congrats to all involved. (But I also remember, what happened to #LiMux and #WollMux in #Munich. 😞 I wish for all, that it won't repeat.)

eobet Apr 8, 2024

@libreoffice I think Sweden did this a few years back but then stopped? Can’t find any information about why though…

Douglas @revdjenk Jenkins Apr 11, 2024

@libreoffice
Munich tried this switch to LibreOffice and returned because of some 'sweet' MS deal a few years later. However, things have changed. I am a LibreOffice user (through Star Office/Open Office) since 1999.

Tim Ward ⭐🇪🇺🔶 #FBPE Aug 28, 2024

@libreoffice "Why" would be if they've done the sums and decided it's cheaper (or, less simply, better value for money) for the taxpayer. Different authorities will do the sums different ways at different times and get different answers.