JA WestenbergMar 7, 2024

The American dream didn't die.

That makes it sound like a natural event.

Like it was inevitable.

Here's the truth:

It was fucking murdered.

By greedy, unchecked corporations, bought and paid for politicians, and every coked-up asshole on Wall Street.

Show thread@pineywoozle ‘s #3WordNoteMar 9, 2024
@forthy42 You can also get extremely wealthy from inventing something or writing or creating art, none of which requires exploitation. All of which are required for a healthy society. Capitalism needs regulated but it’s dishonest & simplistic to reduce it like you just did & it dilutes your legitimate argument. There are also still very real class & race barriers in every country, some worse than here, that are as exclusionary as capitalism, that also need to be overcome. @Daojoan
Show threadAdrian Riskin Mar 9, 2024
@Pineywoozle @forthy42 @Daojoan you can't get rich from inventions or art without exploitation. Getting rich requires a lot of people working for money with which to pay for your creations and to sell their labor to you for mass production of them. These people are exploited. Without exploited workers no one could get rich for any reason, as OP claimed.
Show threadAdrian Riskin Mar 9, 2024
@Pineywoozle @forthy42 @Daojoan Getting rich from inventions or art also requires intellectual property laws which, like all laws are enforced by violence. Getting rich this way requires police, courts, and prisons, all of which are fundamentally exploitative.
Show thread@pineywoozle ‘s #3WordNoteMar 9, 2024
@AdrianRiskin So you think any society functions with out regulation? Everything can be exploited. The key is regulation and you are either blindingly naive or dishonest to suggest otherwise. What do you suggest we do with rapists & murderers without laws, courts & prisons? @forthy42 @Daojoan
Show threadAdrian Riskin Mar 9, 2024
@Pineywoozle @forthy42 I didn't suggest anything about regulation or anything else. I said explicitly that it's impossible to get rich from creative work without exploitation. I'm certainly not interested in a general discussion of anarchism with someone who refuses to respond to my actual post.
Show thread@pineywoozle ‘s #3WordNoteMar 9, 2024
@AdrianRiskin No sweetie you refuse to answer because your simplistic approach that laws are “bad” can’t be defended. Stating that laws can only be enforced thru violence from police, courts and prisons explicitly denies appropriate regulation of both laws and the methods to enforce them. I’m gonna stop now because you are being intellectually dishonest and I find that tiresome. @forthy42
Show threadRDMar 11, 2024

@Pineywoozle @AdrianRiskin @forthy42

>> Stating that laws can only be enforced thru violence from police, courts and prisons explicitly denies appropriate regulation of both laws and the methods to enforce them.<<

Can you elaborate on this? What I'm reading here seems very utopian but maybe I'm misunderstanding.

What does "regulation of both laws and the methods to enforce them" mean? How can laws be enforced without violence?

Show threadHeavenlyPossumMar 11, 2024

@AdrianRiskin @Pineywoozle @forthy42 @RD4Anarchy

I think she blocked all of Kolektiva.

Show threadAdrian Riskin Mar 11, 2024

@HeavenlyPossum @forthy42 @RD4Anarchy

Turns out we're overly privileged... The whole thread is just...

https://masto.ai/@Pineywoozle/112073910304660596

@pineywoozle (@[email protected])

Would someone remind me why I don’t just block the entire Kolectiva instance. Every conversation is like those naive overly privileged 3am “important” discussions from college.

Mastodon
Show threadRDMar 11, 2024

@AdrianRiskin @HeavenlyPossum @forthy42

"The whole thread is just..."

Show threadHeavenlyPossumMar 11, 2024

@RD4Anarchy @AdrianRiskin @forthy42

My favorite was when she told me her hypothetical workers were without skill because literally anyone could be taught to make her jewelry in 20 minutes, but she deserved to keep their money because she had spent years studying the blade. I mean the jewelry.

Show threadJesMar 11, 2024

@HeavenlyPossum @RD4Anarchy @AdrianRiskin @forthy42 liberals will twist themselves into mobius strips to justify their privlage and maintain the status quo

(edit because i cant type or spell properly)

Show threadRD

@Jesticulated @HeavenlyPossum @AdrianRiskin @forthy42

Be careful, you'll get mastodon.social blocked! 🙄

Mar 11, 2024 at 11:43pmWeb
Show threadJesMar 11, 2024
@RD4Anarchy @HeavenlyPossum @AdrianRiskin @forthy42 gods i hope so lol