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Brodie Robertson

Every time I do a Wayland or Xorg poll, the amount of people using Wayland keeps increasing, there's absolutely still a ton of X11 users but as distros stop shipping Xorg out of the box over the coming years I do wonder how many strict holdouts there really are, and how many are just using Xorg because that's what there distro provides.

moved to @[email protected]Mar 11, 2024

@BrodieOnLinux one people i know still uses x.org because they use a slightly older nvidia gpu that still has problems with wayland even after trying out plasma 6/wayland so i'd assume the same issue probably goes the same for a decent amount of people

and theres probably also people who just use stuff like xfce or mate and don't care, or alternatively go against wayland because they hate new good software/protocols because its limited or whatever.

El Draculo Mar 11, 2024

@BrodieOnLinux I'm going to make an earnest effort to switch to River, but wlroots might need to catch up to Plasma's standard for scaling. I really like the light weight and simplicity of just running a compositor without all the X bloat. I'm mostly sold except for some of the issues I had trying to make it look good with two very different resolution monitors

Distro's Projects Mar 11, 2024

@BrodieOnLinux I’m still stuck with X11 on my desktop since most of the software I use would be running in Xwayland, like VirtualBox which is unusably buggy in Xwayland. I would use QEMU but all the GUI frontends for it *suck*.

Brodie Robertson Mar 11, 2024

@distrohopper39b What's wrong with it, I've never experience issues with virtualbox

Distro's Projects Mar 11, 2024

@BrodieOnLinux @distrohopper39b On wayland VirtualBox mostly works fine, unless you need manual mouse capturing (which I sometimes do for old OSes or various bits of programming/testing I have done). Manual mouse capturing causes the entire VirtualBox window to be unresponsive to mouse input until it’s closed and reopened since the mouse doesn’t correctly lock to the window. This is probably a bug related to both VBox and Xwayland

Jared (MOVED TO DMV.COMMUNITY)Mar 12, 2024

@distrohopper39b @BrodieOnLinux For simplifying QEMU, have you looked at:

* quickemu by wimpy
* quickgui by markxjohnson + ymuary (a GUI front end to quickemu)

They really help make quick work of QEMU deployment.

https://github.com/quickemu-project/quickemu

https://github.com/quickemu-project/quickgui

GitHub - quickemu-project/quickemu: Quickly create and run optimised Windows, macOS and Linux virtual machines

Quickly create and run optimised Windows, macOS and Linux virtual machines - quickemu-project/quickemu

GitHub

Distro's Projects Mar 12, 2024

@ktnjared @distrohopper39b @BrodieOnLinux quickgui doesn’t support any custom oses and quickemu doesn’t support alternative (non-kvm) archs from what i can tell, so its not really usable for what i want to use it for

Jared (MOVED TO DMV.COMMUNITY)Mar 12, 2024

@distrohopper39b @BrodieOnLinux If that’s the case, I would strongly urge you to learn the CLI QEMU commands. It’s worth the effort and performance gains over VirtualBox alone.

The screenshot is my run script for my PA-RISC HP-UX 11 VM for example. Is not difficult, but can be tedious. But one you get a grip on things, it’s easy to cobble scripts together in short time.

Distro's Projects Mar 12, 2024

@ktnjared oh i know the command line but it's just a pain to set up and use all the time. i could try to write my own gui frontend (which would incidentally make me very good at the qemu cli)

Thomas Coopman Mar 11, 2024

@BrodieOnLinux what do you do when your favorite WMs aren't available on wayland. #herbstluftwm specifically, but also #xmonad

Alexandre Klein Mar 11, 2024

@tcoopman @BrodieOnLinux regarding XMonad, there is:
- WayMonad (quite out of date and unmaintained)
- effort by the XMonad team to port to Wayland. As far as I know, they're at the stage of (re)creating Haskell bindings for wlroots

So you have the option to either wait for XMonad to be fully ported to Wayland (which is reasonable considering X.org is here to stay for a few years still), or help their development efforts to have something working sooner...

☃️karolherbst☃️Mar 11, 2024

@BrodieOnLinux there are still distros out there without systemd as well, so I suspect there will also be those wayland free distros... actually.. is this even a thing?

Brodie Robertson Mar 11, 2024

@karolherbst As long as Xorg still compiles there will be people running 30 year old window managers

El Draculo Mar 11, 2024

@BrodieOnLinux @karolherbst I guess that's the sad part for me, I really like some old window managers that are still being developed like Window Maker. But since dynamic tiling is too good, it's not a real loss on my part. I just really like that I could make my computer run modern software while looking like it's 1998

☃️karolherbst☃️Mar 11, 2024

@BrodieOnLinux I'm sure they will, I'm just wondering if there will be major distributions not supporting wayland at all.

Brodie Robertson Mar 11, 2024

@karolherbst I really doubt it, distros like Arch and Gentoo will ship Xorg in the main repos for a long time but I can't imagine any major distros actively not supporting Wayland

☃️karolherbst☃️Mar 11, 2024

@BrodieOnLinux we do have distros actively not supporting systemd, so I don't see why wayland should be spared that treatment :D

But anyway, only time will tell.

Brodie Robertson Mar 11, 2024

@karolherbst That's true but they're all niche distros, I do expect some niche Xorg only distros

James Crake-Merani Mar 11, 2024

@BrodieOnLinux For me Wayland just works on Fedora now. Only issues I have are with software that want access to the screen but more, and more are being fixed so this is becoming less of an issue.

@BrodieOnLinux I have a few friends that use Linux and that manually switched to X only because of discord screen share... If discord fixed their shit they would have 0 issues with Wayland

Darorad Mar 11, 2024

@gloopsies @BrodieOnLinux Yeah, discord will probably get around to it a decade or so after every major distro has stopped shipping x11. I just use obs to screenshare but it would be nice if it worked without anything else.