I got to interview Farah Ali about her beautiful debut novel, The River, The Town. We talked about building complex characters who make unexpected choices, writing about climate catastrophe, and the importance of hope.

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Allison Wyss Interviews Farah Ali about Her Debut Novel The River, The Town

Farah Ali’s The River, The Town is a gorgeous first novel about a Pakistani family navigating poverty, drought, and generational trauma. Farah and I spoke on September 27 about climate disast…

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So we talked about how learning about a character's past deepens our understanding of her--that's one way to make a complex character. But Ali also gestured to what's next for her & if she might change--that's the creation of a dynamic character.

I think dynamic and complex (deep, round) are often conflated but are useful to separate. A character can be one or the other or neither or both.

Which kind do you like to write?

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And then, you know, I love flat characters too! (I adore fairy tales.). I think they can feel just as alive as the sort that we call "round" or "complex."

Some of that happens through implied or intuitive depth. (A favorite theory of mine!)

I haven't thought as much about this, but I think it probably happens through character change, as well. Which might part of why folks conflate dynamic and complex.

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What makes a character feel most alive for other folks?

So often people say they need to know more about characters--they want to know EVERYTHING--but for me, that's really not it. After all, I often don't know that much about people in my real life! But I need to know _enough_ and it's fun to think about what can be enough.

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@allisonwyss this is probably because I read so much short fiction, but personally I like to see a 'type of guy' established with a couple of choice details so my imagination can fill in the blanks. If the writer wants to subvert my assumptions later on, then all the better!

@ajswritesthings

This is pretty much how flatness plus intuitive depth works, though I haven't thought about it in terms of "type of guy" before. Thanks for this.

@allisonwyss interesting question. I feel like a lot of times a character can be reduced to a particular trait --the character who swears all the time, the character who's afraid of vacuum cleaners or what have you --and that's not enough to me. But I think you're right that you don't need to know every detail (probably don't want to know every detail.) I think there's more, but off the top of my head I guess I want to know what they care about and why.

@Saposcat

This is a great answer. Knowing what someone cares about is key to who they are in sort of deep and personal sense. But it's also something that can drive the story. So, two objectives at once, which is always great.

@allisonwyss then again, I think about how what I don't know makes a character interesting. Sometimes it's satisfying to have it resolved, that ah, that's why they do that moment, but there are also times when I might find a character far more interesting before I had an explanation, and knowing why ruins the intrigue.

@Saposcat

I think this happens--at least sometimes--because knowing too much of a character makes them feel like the writer's puppet instead of a separate living being with their own mind.

@allisonwyss yeah, that makes sense to me. We want characters to be their own people.

@Saposcat

And of course it's just an illusion. But that's what we do! We make these marvelous illusions that turn squiggles on a paper into people and worlds and stuff.

@allisonwyss now I'm thinking about drawing classes I've taken and how they talked about the importance of negative space and how it helps define objects and I wonder if a similar principle could apply here. What you don't say about a character can be as important as what you do.

@Saposcat

Absolutely. And that sort of strategy often involves a lot of subtext, a lot of trusting the reader to have certain expectations and cultural background to interpret the negative space in the way you intend. But absolutely.

@allisonwyss The writer-reader relationship is an important piece to consider. How much can you expect your reader to just get and how much do you need to explain? There are a lot of balancing acts in writing. Of course you also (hopefully) will have more than one reader, so it makes the balance even trickier because the ones who would have "gotten it" may be frustrated if you explain too much while the ones who don't can feel frustrated you didn't take the time to help them understand.
@allisonwyss I try to establish what drives my characters. This doesn't mean telling everything. You can't practically tell everything about a character, anyway, without making the book a biography of the character. Sharon Kielic in Because It Tells Me To was in the wrong place at the wrong time when someone panicked, and wants to find out who murdered her boss and tried to murder her, and why, and bring them to justice. Alrekr Járnhandr in Fireborn is trying to come to grips with a new world and understand why and how he is there, while at the same time trying to heal and recover from emotional abuse that almost destroyed him. Alex Holder in the Stardock series has given up everything he had to try to prepare a defense for Earth against an apocalyptic threat — while at the same time trying to undo at least the worst of the inequality in the world. Three characters, three very different motivations that are at the core of each. You don't need to know what childhood pets they had, what school they went to, their favorite artist. That's not what's important about them.

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Right! And the act of storytelling includes _choosing_ which facts of the character are important to the story. A writer frames and focuses to pick the details that matter. Just because we don't learn about a childhood, doesn't mean the character didn't have one. It means it's just not a part of this story.

@allisonwyss Yup. Sharon does mention her time in law school to Ciáran — not because he needs to know which law school she went to, but because she needs him to understand how it felt when she and her fellow female classmates had to work twice as hard to get the same recognition. Because that shaped her and shapes their relationship.