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Adrian Cockcroft Mar 8, 2024

Years ago, “everyone knew” Tesla was going to fail, but I knew people who were raving about the first few Model S and bought a “car down payment” worth of shares. By the time it was clear Tesla was going to make it, I had enough to buy a whole car and have some left over. I just bought some Rivian shares and put a $100 deposit on an R2. I’m betting that I can get a free R2 by the time it ships. I also think that if Rivian runs out of money Amazon/Bezos will bail it out/buy it.

Luke Kanies Mar 8, 2024

@adrianco very curious… would you take delivery on the R2 if it comes up?

I get the logic of the financial aspects.

Just curious if you’re excited about the actual car.

Adrian Cockcroft Mar 8, 2024

@lkanies It’s a strong candidate. We have a 2020 Tesla Model 3 that will be 6yrs old at that point, and a 2004 Subaru Forester that we just keep for moving larger things around, and it would replace both. We will see what else is available at the time. R2 has NACS built in. Macane is much more expensive but similar size…

Luke Kanies Mar 9, 2024

@adrianco I have not driven the Macane but was very unimpressed with the Taycan. No regen on lift, creep mode like it was an automatic, and I noticed nothing particular about the drive. I have not driven a 911 for long, but I cannot imagine it is like that.

I remember my e90 m3 wowing me on the test drive. That’s what I need if I’m paying that kind of money.

freeformz 🏳️‍🌈

@lkanies @adrianco true one pedal driving or it’s a broken EV IMNSHO.

Luke Kanies Mar 9, 2024

@freeformz @adrianco 💯

My v8 m3 could just about do it. Why would I take *less* than that?

(Adrian: in the US, “just about” means “not quite”, rather than “barely”.)

Adrian Cockcroft Mar 9, 2024

@freeformz @lkanies I agree that Porsche should have an option for high regen one pedal driving, but I think they are optimizing for people coming from gas cars.

Luke Kanies Mar 9, 2024

@adrianco @freeformz …but my last had car had serious engine braking when I lifted. And I haven’t owned a car with creep since 1992, and that car was made the year I was born.

wtf gas cars are they trying to match? Like seriously. Do they make gas cars that have no engine braking? Does the ppk creep?

Adrian Cockcroft Mar 9, 2024

@lkanies @freeformz Yes the PDK creeps. Laurel’s ‘09 Boxster is very different to drive on the throttle vs. the Tesla Model 3.

Luke Kanies Mar 9, 2024

@adrianco @freeformz 😳

I guess the 911 I drove must have been a manual? I definitely would have noticed creep.

It’s crazy that that’s not just a setting.

freeformz 🏳️‍🌈Mar 9, 2024

@adrianco @lkanies I’ve always thought that was a terrible trade off. I don’t know anyone who, once they get accustomed to one pedal driving, doesn’t wish all cars worked that way (at least optionally). Admittedly that is a small sample size though.

One pedal driving is a feature, having to constantly brake is a bug

Adrian Cockcroft Mar 9, 2024

@freeformz @lkanies It’s a simple setting on most current EVs I’ve driven that provides both options. Rental pickup of a Tesla or Polestar or Bolt, first thing I do is go to settings and check.

freeformz 🏳️‍🌈Mar 9, 2024

@adrianco @lkanies
As a long time EV driver - I am also annoyed when EVs don’t “remember” that setting.

I also won’t buy an EV that doesn’t:
a) have true one pedal driving (ie the regen is so strong the car can easily come to a full stop in normal conditions w/o using the brakes)
&
b) allows me to set that up and never have to fiddle with those settings again.

For instance: Nissan ruined the Ariya by not having both of those (our Leaf does).

Luke Kanies Mar 9, 2024

@freeformz @adrianco yeah, I agree. Especially since it seems so easy to just give the user the choice.

Porsche is so proud of their decision to require we hit the brakes. But… why? Why not offer both, provide settings.

Then I’d probably be driving a Taycan.

Michael Wyman Mar 9, 2024

@freeformz @adrianco @lkanies I view one-pedal driving as a safety feature: it lessens the reaction time to switch from driving to braking, even when I need to hit the brake pedal.

Jim Meyer Mar 9, 2024

@mwyman @freeformz @adrianco @lkanies Fair. It still feels like an annoyance to me. I’ve been driving for nearly 15 years.

My personal, anecdotal, and nowhere near conclusive observations lead me to feel that one-pedal causes faster decrease in acceleration than other drivers are used to without seeing brake lights. While I’m sure folks will eventually get used to it, right now I see it more often surprise other drivers which feels like a potentially dangerous thing.

YMM(and clearly does)V

freeformz 🏳️‍🌈Mar 10, 2024

@purp @mwyman @adrianco @lkanies

At least in my Leaf taking your foot off the accelerator triggers the break light when one pedal driving is engaged.

Luke Kanies Mar 10, 2024

@freeformz @purp @mwyman @adrianco I *think* tesla does too?

Adrian Cockcroft Mar 10, 2024

@lkanies @freeformz @purp @mwyman Yes, all the electric cars I’ve driven (Tesla, Nissan, Fiat, Polestar, Bolt…) turn on brake lights when there’s strong regen.

freeformz 🏳️‍🌈Mar 10, 2024

@adrianco @lkanies @purp @mwyman I wouldn’t be surprised if this was a regulation.

Luke Kanies Mar 10, 2024

@freeformz @purp @mwyman @adrianco and I’ve never noticed any cars behind me being confused about how my car slows down. Never been run up on or anything, or people getting upset.