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Tenet in 70mm IMAX was absolutely incredible. I’m sorry you don’t get it.
i really hate that shit where they intentionally cut the movie in a really shitty annoying confusing way just to make the story ostensibly more cOmPleX rather than just writing something good and relying on its strength like a normal good film
the prestige really pissed me off
Essentially the people have the ability to rewind and fast forward time. To go back or forward in time you need to go through an entrance, red means forward, blue means backwards. Their weapons and bullets have the ability to do this by themselves. The bad group wants to acquire the original source of this power and rewind the entire earth to undo climate change, the good guys believe this would destroy the world instead of saving it. The protagonist is the creator of the group in the future, but sends his associates back in time to recruit his younger self and put an end to this group. The main way they attack in this movie is by one team attacking at one point in time and another team attacking backwards in time. Eventually, the bad guys get all parts of this source and begin the process to reverse all of Earth, but the protagonist wins in the end. This is when its revealed he recruited all these people in the future to save the world, making the ending also the beginning.
maniacalmanicmaniaThank you. Also WTF. I did not pick up any of that and I think I’ve seen it three times.
The movie gets a lot easier to understand when you figure out the red and blue thing.
I kind of understood it, until the ship scene near the end, when there were two Debickis going FORWARD in time, slightly offset from each other. If they can do THAT, why not do it all the time? Why make people go backwards in time, breathe inverted air, and none of the protagonists have a grasp on what’s going on anyway?
Im pretty sure one Debickis was actually moving backwards it just wasn’t as clear
What pissed me off is that in a time travel movie where the end is also the beginning, the climax should be the opening scene again (the theater assault) but now viewed with more information showing how the whole loop tied up.
Instead we just got some bang bang explosion shit because someone gave Nolan too big of a budget and he he was damn determined to use it after being inspired by his rewind button on his VCR.
The Prestige was one of the most comprehensible movies Nolan ever made…
SkullgridWait till you watch Memento
Part of the issue for me was the audio is mixed so that you can barely hear the dialogue.
I find that with a lot of movies lately
It was worse around 15 years ago.
You want to hear things well, though? You’ll need surround sound system and to turn up the center speaker. That’s where they generally mix the voice audio.
Normally that’s due to poor mixing work. I’m tenet’s case it was a deliberate choice by Nolan.
I’ve heard it’s because it’s mixed for surround sound
Optimized on for peak surround sound, allegedly. I have a $5000 system and it still sounds like shit. Snobby ≠ good, methinks.
IbaudiaI heard it was mixed specifically for high-end theatre speakers. I think Nolan was just too far up his own ass on this one.
I watched it in Dolby Atmos and still couldn’t understand shit. It was simply very, very badly mixed. I don’t think I’ll watch another film from Nolan.
Yeah Oppenheimer was just bad with audio.
I saw it in theaters and it was great.
Not being able to hear the dialogue is an artistic choice Nolan has been intentionally making since around The Dark Knight Rises. I know that sounds dumb but, I’m not joking. I have been baffled by this choice and have refused to see any of his films until Oppenheimer. Which was a major improvement.
Why You Can't Hear The Dialogue in Tenet
Maven (famous)I would NOT call Oppenheimer a major improvement! It was one of my least favorite theater experiences because I couldn’t hear half of the dialogue and the whole thing was way too loud.
It felt like I was watching a bunch of vines strung together in a parody of a Nolan film. I couldn’t finish it, there was literally a cut every 3 seconds.
I kept hearing this complaint but when I finally watched it there was only one scene where I couldn’t hear the dialogue (when Neil is scoping out the airport bank vault) and it seemed very much intentional. Did you find this to be an issue throughout the entire film?
Same. The moment you don’t understand the dialogue then it’s not important, that moment it’s about atmosphere. Worked great for me. I enjoyed the sound mixing in this movie!
Just like modern plots, modern audio editing spoonfeeds the audience: youtu.be/XOXJLwzIOoA?si=XY-0mUmwx9_V51Tl. We need to be told each and every detail about the security system in order to understand that it’s extreme, even though those details wouldn’t add to the plot in any way (as I recall, the last thing you can hear is the risk of suffocation - which is the last aspect of the security system that was relevant later on).
Next thing you know, audiences will start complaining that depth of field/camera blur is obscuring in unimportant details in the background.
Kitchen Nightmares UK edited like the US version
Ugh, I hate that so much! Especially since I sometimes like to fall asleep to a movie I’ve seen many times before and at the end just drift off to the sound of it.
“Whisper whisper whisper EXPLOSIONS AND YELLING whisper whisper whisper” is probably my least favorite style of sound mixing.
I like to be able to hear the quiet parts without the loud parts bursting my ear drums, thank you very much!
You may want to see if your TV has a “night mode” in the audio settings. It’s basically just an audio compander, (combination of compression and expansion.) It expands the quiet parts to be louder, and compresses the loud parts to be quieter. It destroys any kind of dynamics that the director intended, and can cause some difficulty with intelligibility if there’s lots of background noise, (because the noise is getting expanded too!) But for watching things at night, it’s almost a must for dynamic movies.
Sounds like exactly what I need, thanks! I’m watching on a tablet on the bed next to me, but if it’s available on TVs as a mode, it’s probably available for VLC on Android too.
It destroys any kind of dynamics that the director intended
Fuck their intentions lol. Having a huge gulf in loudness is good for two things only: jump scares and Michael Bay type movies trying to impress you with how loud things go boom. Both are just annoyances to me at the best of times and keeping me from falling asleep at the worst.
can cause some difficulty with intelligibility if there’s lots of background noise
That might be a drawback, though. On the other hand, who keeps in a lot of background noise in the first place? Morons and amateurs, that’s who! 😛
Some brands call it headphone mode, because headphone users also frequently complain about dynamic audio too; They turn up to hear the quiet parts, then get their ears blown off during the loud parts.
Yup, I know that all too well as a daily headphones/earbuds user for the last several years, maybe even a decade…
I highly recommend using Nova video player. It’s an android video player specifically made to handle movies and series. It’s got everything you neeed from automatically downloading each movie /episode poster, description, subtitles, got audio boost and night mode. And oh, I almost forgot to say that it’s an open source project and it’s available on f-droid.
It’s a shame that the app is barely known, so if you enjoyed it, please share it.
Will give it a try for sure 🙂
You’re talking about a regular compressor with make up gain. An expander makes the quiet parts even quieter. Compressors compress the dynamic range (which is what you’d want in this scenario), expanders expands the dynamic range.
idunnololzI… “got a copy” and it was fine on my television. I dont even have external speakers (built in speakers). I wonder if the digital release fixed this issue.
It’s frankly amazing that it managed to make it to release. Who the fuck thought the mix was acceptable? Scene 1 I had no clue what was happening because I couldn’t hear! Ridiculous.
synae[he/him]Who the fuck thought the mix was acceptable?
That would be Christopher Nolan, who I believe is trolling people with his sound design choices at this point
I had subtitles on and it made sense
Tenet was quite boring. I like interstellar and inception a lot more.
Inception is among my all time top movies. I still haven’t seen Interstellar though and I almost don’t even want to watch it either. I like knowing that in the era of shitty movies there’s atleast this one gem I can reach for whenever I want.
Hm i found interstellar really boring. Tenet at least had stuff to think about, even though when you actually did the thinking it only lead to dead ends.
Well at least it’s in space instead of some random cities
Flying SquidI thought Tenet and Interstellar were boring. But that was my main problem with Tenet. I wasn’t confused, just bored.
To be fair, I had to watch it twice to understand it - i noticed so much more on the second watch through. And for everyones complaints with the audio - use subtitles, a lot of spots where there is inaudible dialogue, especially the art storage scene, is just nothing talk.
Exactly, it was really clear that the dialog was not relevant in that section. It was a standard recon scene.
And for everyones complaints with the audio - use subtitles
I really shouldn’t have to be expected to use subtitles for a movie filmed in the language I grew up speaking and understanding.
Sorry I wasn’t saying “use subtitles, you deaf scrub” I was saying - use the subtitles and you’ll see that the dialogue is not what is important but what you should be focusing on in those situations, the information you need isn’t in the dialogue.
I seriously doubt that Christopher Nolan thought that the dialogue was not important. He’s certainly never made an indication of that which I’ve seen and I’ve never heard of a filmmaker with that goal in mind.
You’re making an excuse for bad sound mixing.
We’re free to disagree friend! From my pov it was fine - not making an excuse, just my opinion - I can understand that not being able to hear dialogue would be frustrating.
Call me a dummy but I just don’t want to be engaged in this way as a form of entertainment.
You you have to get the VHS version and watch the whole thing on rewind to understand it.
I saw a YouTube video where like 15 guys in some poor country rigged up a bicycle or something to power a projector that displayed a horrible picture of a movie onto the side of a stack of old tires. They were watching Tenet.
Of all the movies to watch that way…
I would have loved to see them be interviewed about it two hours later.
James cameron would kill them if they had watched avatar 2
gmtomHe wouldn’t just kill them he would hunt them for sport.
And record it in 8k
Underwater
qevlarrI think Tenet is amazing. Yes, it’s confusing but you’ll manage. If you get the main points, you can enjoy this movie even if you don’t get every detail
I understood everything and it was like being forced to gurgle the gunk in the shower drain
Ok man
I really liked tenet and planning to rewatch it again. I watched it at home with headphones and subtitles, so once they sound issue went away, it was a pretty straightforward movie, even with all the time confusion.
I usually don’t watch dubs of shows I can understand in the original.
So anyway. I watched tenet dubbed.
I’m pretty bad at comprehending anything spoken the first time around so I watch almost everything with subtitles. I had no issues understanding TENET (outside the theater where there’s obviously no subs)